RHOSLC-Robert Jr.’s Heartbreaking Truth and Mary’s Strength

We Wine Whenever (00:00.738)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.486)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.058)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, season five, episode number 11. And this one is called Troop Salt Lake City. Eh, lame, but whatever.

Kelli (00:17.022)
I was trying to think if I ever watched, what was it? True Beverly Hills? Is that what was called? I never did either. I was thinking of something else. There was something else that Tess watched all the time when she was little and Olivia and Kylie would come over and they would watch it together. It was something about a dog. Beverly Hills Chihuahua. how many times I've seen that movie.

We Wine Whenever (00:23.007)
I never did, yeah, I never did.

We Wine Whenever (00:38.238)
We Wine Whenever (00:43.949)
you

Kelli (00:43.996)
But I was thinking it was true Beverly Hills or whatever that was, but it wasn't because they're too, they were way too young for that.

We Wine Whenever (00:51.086)
So that's what we start out with. Heather and Whitney decide that they're going to get the girls together and do a gathering around the campfire. And the attire is going to be Girl Scout chic. And they make up the invitation, no heels but bring your feels. Whitney's talking about how she doesn't know if she can be in the same room as Meredith. And you know, she's going to have to be. And you're going to be outside, so there's that.

And then Whitney asks if she can bring Bronwyn. Well, you're inviting all the girls, of course you're going to bring Bronwyn. I mean...

Kelli (01:28.54)
And Heather didn't like it when she was left out, so why would she leave somebody out then?

We Wine Whenever (01:32.265)
Exactly. And Heather says, Heather says to Whitney, thought this was interesting between you and me. I think Bronwyn is sneaky. Now, how do you really think that's going to stay between those two?

Kelli (01:45.402)
No, and I love that Heather thinks Bronwyn talks about her. Like she's like, I don't want to be friends with somebody who talks about me as soon as I walk away from the table. Heather talks about everybody. She, did you hear this? Did you hear that she put in her latest book that Coach Shaw tried to hook up with Monica Garcia? That's disgusting. Whatever your feelings are about Jen Shaw right now, because she lied to you about being guilty, but that's one thing. But why are you?

We Wine Whenever (02:01.429)
I did.

I did.

Kelli (02:14.232)
Why are you running his name through the mud now? For Monica Garcia?

We Wine Whenever (02:18.208)
I agree. I agree. And now you're messing with two families, Monica's family and Jen Shah's family. And I don't know. I I heard it from actually Up and Adam was talking about it. He was also talking about, which I wouldn't be surprised that when she blurted out that black eye was from Jen, it wasn't from Jen. That black eye was not from Jen Shah. no.

Kelli (02:25.715)
Right.

Kelli (02:44.958)
was it? I thought it was.

We Wine Whenever (02:47.464)
according to Up and Adam, was kind of, she blurted that out, but that's not the truth. It was kind of proven that prior to that day, she already had like the makings of a black eye and she kind of was just throwing it out there. Like something had happened, she was covering it up. And people had said that way back when, when she wasn't saying who it was. There was many people that said like, it looked like,

Kelli (03:13.681)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (03:17.503)
it was, you know, it was coming because a black guy doesn't happen that quick. It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen that quick. So something had happened.

Kelli (03:21.5)
No, no.

It's just like a bruise, it's almost like worse the next day.

We Wine Whenever (03:27.732)
Yeah, and they actually were saying it may have even been some sort of procedure.

Kelli (03:33.522)
That makes complete sense. I don't know why it wouldn't be on both. Maybe, I guess maybe she just had something done to one eye, but that makes way more sense than anything else.

We Wine Whenever (03:35.571)
Yes it does.

We Wine Whenever (03:44.02)
Right. And why it would be delayed like that, you know what I mean? It would come, it was some sort of procedure. And listen, she didn't out it out that it was Jen until Jen was in jail.

Kelli (03:52.21)
That's interesting.

Kelli (03:58.12)
That's right.

We Wine Whenever (03:59.956)
So, and now you're putting her name in your book too? I mean, and her husband.

Kelli (04:04.839)
and her husband.

Kelli (04:09.136)
I heard something very funny about Heather Gay today. I was listening to two tees in a pod and they were saying that Heather Gay is still waiting. It's been five years to get approved for Raya.

We Wine Whenever (04:21.442)
no, I heard that. She said that on stage. She said that on stage on Watch What Happens Live and Shep is like, I can give you a referral. She's like, no. Well, she's like, no, everyone has given me the referral. They still won't approve me.

Kelli (04:31.317)
because you need the referrals, right?

Kelli (04:37.308)
Why I can't believe she admit that like she's such a she's such that girl that just wants to be like popular. She's still that girl.

We Wine Whenever (04:39.847)
Yeah, I know.

We Wine Whenever (04:50.06)
She is, she is. And she doesn't care at what expense, at whose expense. Which, I don't like that. That's kinda shitty.

Kelli (04:53.628)
Right. No, there's no, I mean, she's got no character. There's no...

We Wine Whenever (05:00.542)
No, I agree. I agree. I am liking her less and less as this show goes on. Then we see Meredith goes to the gallery. She's meeting up with Mary. While she's at the gallery, she's saying how she thought Mary should have reached out to her, but she didn't. So Meredith admits that she reached out to her to meet up with her because she felt like her actions were not up

Kelli (05:05.98)
Yeah, me too.

We Wine Whenever (05:28.647)
not in her character, the way she was acting. And, you know, then we see Mary's trying to talk to Robert Jr. before she leaves. And then they cut back to Mary with like losing it at the gallery. And now it's been 40 minutes. So she decides to FaceTime her son and her daughter, Chloe and Brooks. And I actually thought Brooks was very mature about the whole situation. He's like, well, I mean, if you said this is not in her character, like this even proves it more. Like he was like,

Kelli (05:55.622)
Right, right. Like the voice of reason.

We Wine Whenever (05:58.174)
trying to tell her like, right. And you know, she still really wasn't buying it. And then as soon as Mary gets there, she like, you know, I guess because Mary didn't come in apologizing, and I think that's what she wanted.

Kelli (06:14.994)
Yeah, Mary's not gonna do that.

We Wine Whenever (06:18.704)
No, she's not going to do that. you know, Meredith started with, know, is everything okay? And she's like, yeah, why? Why? You know, why wouldn't it be?

Kelli (06:28.222)
It's not gonna confide in her right now.

We Wine Whenever (06:30.386)
No, absolutely not. Absolutely not.

Kelli (06:34.93)
I have to say as a sidebar, loved Meredith's boots and I loved Mary's shoes. As you were both walking in there, I was like, they're so cute. Yeah, they were both really nice. Meredith's boots and Mary's shoes.

We Wine Whenever (06:40.744)
I don't remember Mary's shoes.

We Wine Whenever (06:48.817)
I did note Meredith's boots. did like those two, but I don't remember Mary's shoes. That's interesting. So, Meredith says that...

Kelli (06:54.151)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:03.198)
that she was acting out of character at her house. And Mary said, well, you left my house. And she said, well, I no longer felt welcome there. She's like, and you told me to leave. And she's like, no, I told both you and Angie if you weren't going to listen to me, because you were both yelling. It wasn't just you. I didn't single you out. And then Meredith said that Angie was coming for me. And you told me in the past that you would stand by me and you'd be there for me.

Kelli (07:20.114)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:32.732)
And then all of a sudden you jumped on her bandwagon. And she's like, I don't jump on anyone's bandwagon. And I was yelling at both of you. You were both yelling. She was.

Kelli (07:42.684)
And she was. Like she really, like she like yelled like Angie, like, that's when Angie, she still said something after that Angie, but then that's finally when she stopped.

We Wine Whenever (07:52.978)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:54.684)
I mean, Meredith took it to another level where she was like, I don't feel comfortable, you know.

We Wine Whenever (07:59.612)
Right, I didn't feel welcome. And you were going to stand by me. Well, what was there to stand by at that point? Like there wasn't...

Kelli (08:01.694)
Right.

Kelli (08:07.303)
You couldn't even make sense of what anybody was talking about because they were just yelling profanities at each other. At that point, you know, the F-bombs were flying and, you know.

We Wine Whenever (08:12.869)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (08:17.416)
Yeah.

And then Mary said, severed our friendship and you're not always the victim. I was surprised to hear her say that, which I was, it is true and I'm glad she said it. I'm glad she said it.

Kelli (08:26.074)
Yeah, me too, but it's true.

Kelli (08:30.728)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:34.214)
Well, it didn't end well, the gallery.

We Wine Whenever (08:36.099)
No, it certainly did not. It didn't. No, there was no resolved. And she said that, you know, she doesn't feel like this is a healthy friendship and she left. And then in her confessional, you know, she said she's bearing this, this big cross and what's going on with Robert Jr. And we know that she is. And honestly, if Meredith was her friend, Meredith would know too. Which was kind of Mary's point, right? Then we-

Kelli (08:37.854)
There was no resolve.

Kelli (08:56.23)
Right. Right.

Yeah. You know, somebody put on on one of the social medias today. I'm not saying this to make it a racial thing, but somebody put on, I don't know if it was X or whatever, but, you know, a picture of Mary talking to Robert Jr. and then clips of different comments made by by Bravo personalities and and Teresa, you dice.

wrote one like praying for you and your son. And somebody wrote, other than Teresa, only the Brown girls came out to support Mary, not even her own castmates. Now I don't know if that's true or not, but I did comment and I said, hopefully they've reached out privately. I would really hope that her castmates reached out to her privately. I didn't look at the post, I haven't been paying attention. I don't know if that's necessarily true what that person wrote.

We Wine Whenever (09:56.859)
Right, right.

Kelli (09:58.098)
Her examples were that, you know, other than Teresa, but I really just hope that her castmates reached out to her privately because whether you're on good terms with her or not, that is a horrendous thing to go through and she clearly needs her friends or support from anybody, whether you can consider yourself her friend or not right now.

We Wine Whenever (10:00.935)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:12.392)
100%.

We Wine Whenever (10:19.837)
Right, no, I totally agree. I totally agree. And I think that would be horrible if that was true. But I honestly, I don't think it was true. And it could just be, you know, I mean, when Meredith was asked about it on stage, she said that, you know, she didn't know anything about it. And I can't imagine as soon as she found out, she wouldn't have reached out to her. I mean, these women are not heartless. mean...

Kelli (10:25.339)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:40.464)
Yeah, that's what I mean. Right. And it's for her own castmates personally, I think it's better if they don't do it on a public forum.

We Wine Whenever (10:51.343)
Right. Right. I agree.

Kelli (10:53.67)
I think it's better if they do it privately. That's just my personal opinion.

We Wine Whenever (10:59.913)
Then we see Angie and Lisa are at the aquarium and they each bring their kids with them. I do too, and I actually really liked the scene. I liked seeing them really talk. I mean, because they really were friends before this big blow up. They were friends. And I feel like at least in this scene where they were talking, you know, I don't think either one of them really

Kelli (11:06.63)
I love an aquarium.

Kelli (11:13.502)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:27.044)
admit it wrongdoing, but they both kind of heard what the other one had to say and said, okay, you know what, we're going to put this behind us and we're going to move forward.

Kelli (11:31.421)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:37.51)
I think that Angie did the right thing by apologizing. I think Lisa is a bit of a needy friend and that's okay. Some people need more than others in a friendship.

We Wine Whenever (11:44.624)
Right, right.

Kelli (11:50.802)
So I do think Angie did the right thing though. to, there was no other way to do it without, and moving forward.

We Wine Whenever (11:59.354)
No, absolutely. And she did it. You she did apologize and that's fine. Like you apologize and you move forward. But I just hope that that's it. I hope it doesn't come back again.

Kelli (12:05.118)
Right.

Well, me too, especially after what happens at the camp thing.

We Wine Whenever (12:12.547)
Right. And I mean, even the fact that, you know, Angie had said that, you know, when Lisa gets upset, she gets loud. And for Mary, and not for Mary, for Angie, that's like a trigger because it reminds her of what it was like with her mother when her mother, you know, would get upset, it would get loud. So she would shut down. And, you know, I know that that's how some people react to things. Some people get loud and others just retreat.

Kelli (12:26.044)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:30.738)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:37.159)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:38.823)
And then we see Mary talking about how she looks at Robert Jr. and she still sees her baby and she wants him back.

Kelli (12:49.864)
You know, as I'm watching this, I'm thinking, I understand Robert Senior doesn't want to film. I don't blame him. and by the way, did you know, and I learned this from the Bravo docket, Robert Senior was 20 years younger than Mary, Mary's grandmother when she married him. Mary's grandmother was in her 40s, Robert Senior was in his 20s. So I'm thinking that Robert is probably only about 20 years older than Mary.

We Wine Whenever (13:17.017)
No, I learned it from the Bravo DACA too. I listened to that whole thing about the lawsuit and the money and yeah, I learned a lot from that.

Kelli (13:24.326)
Right. Right. So, I mean, I understand that he was married to her grandmother, so he was her step-grandfather, blah, blah. I mean, I know people who are in relationships with a 20-year difference. It's fine. You know what I mean? But anyway, I understand he doesn't want to film, but I really hope he's there right now. And I really hope that Mary's not dealing with this.

We Wine Whenever (13:32.506)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:39.042)
Right. Right. Right. Exactly.

Kelli (13:53.618)
by herself. I hope he's in that house supporting Mary and not only, I mean, he's his son as well, like going through this with her because that is not easy to go through alone. It's not easy to go through with a partner, with a family, nevermind alone. So I hope he's there with her.

We Wine Whenever (14:09.605)
No.

We Wine Whenever (14:17.242)
I hope he is too and I have a feeling that he is. I do. I have a feeling that he's there supporting her because like you said, it's his son too.

Kelli (14:20.454)
I do too.

Kelli (14:26.726)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:29.226)
and then we see they, you know, arrive to the, the camp troop, Beverly Hills, whatever they're calling it, Campire. yes, exactly. Exactly. Angie's driving with Mary and she asks her, what the deal is with Meredith. And Mary said, you know, it took her an hour and a half to meet up with her because she gets her Airbnb, like not w yeah.

Kelli (14:37.278)
another movie reference, by the way.

Kelli (14:56.838)
in Park Vitty, not Salt Lake City.

We Wine Whenever (14:59.118)
Right, not where we are, so, you know.

Kelli (15:00.924)
Yep. I thought that was real interesting.

We Wine Whenever (15:03.821)
Yeah, I do too. I think she was justified in that.

Kelli (15:07.848)
How about when they reference her grabbing her swag before she left Mary's house? How Teresa Judice was that? I'm gonna leave because I'm in the hot seat and I can't handle it, but I'm gonna grab my gift on my way out. That was so Teresa.

We Wine Whenever (15:16.612)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (15:22.82)
Yep.

It was so funny too, and even when they called her out on it, she's like, well, I'd gladly give it back. It was there on the table with my stuff, so I just grabbed my stuff and left. And I'm just like, come on, all right, you know?

Kelli (15:33.342)
Right, Okay. You know what you came in with and you know what you're left with.

We Wine Whenever (15:41.336)
Yep. Yep. Then we see Braunwyn, Lisa and Heather, they're driving together and they're talking about where they all stand with each other. And they were all supposed to bring a dish to this. It was a potluck kind of thing. I was actually surprised as to how much food was brought there. I mean, all those trays and beans and I mean, I think they really, no, and they never.

Kelli (15:59.879)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:04.082)
Yeah, and none of them ate. I hope they brought all that food to a homeless shelter on their way home.

We Wine Whenever (16:10.305)
I know, I know. was, yeah. I was surprised just to see how much food they brought. You know, I thought they were going to go out there and, you know, maybe do like a charcuterie board or something. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. And then we see Melee again. We haven't seen her maybe twice. I even forgot who she was.

Kelli (16:21.745)
Right.

Yeah.

Kelli (16:34.386)
I totally forgot who she was and she kept making these snide comments and Tess was in the room with me and I'm like, who is that? Who is that? She's like, I don't know. I don't watch this. I'm just sitting here with you. But I'm like, who the hell is that? I completely forgot about that girl. Whose friend is she? Whitney's?

We Wine Whenever (16:43.365)
Hahaha!

We Wine Whenever (16:51.919)
She's supposed to be Whitney's friend.

Kelli (16:54.066)
That's right, that's right. They said that it was her friend and then it was like Whitney admit that it was like a friend of a friend. Yeah. No, not at all.

We Wine Whenever (17:01.805)
Right. But we really haven't seen her. That I certainly didn't expect to see her at this Kumbaya campfire thing, right?

Kelli (17:10.214)
No, because when they split up for teams, I don't think she was listed. Was she on a team? I don't think she was.

We Wine Whenever (17:17.093)
We Wine Whenever (17:20.879)
You know what, I didn't even pay attention to that because I was just so thrown to be quite honest to even see her there.

Kelli (17:26.65)
Yeah, but I think I was paying attention to who was on whose team because I was trying to figure out who the hell she was.

We Wine Whenever (17:32.012)
It's so funny because I normally write it down and I just did team Heather and team Whitney. I didn't put who was on each team. That is funny.

Kelli (17:37.136)
Yeah. Whitney was definitely Mary.

and maybe Angie, and then Heather, Meredith, I don't know. Maybe she was on a team, because, no, Brittany was there too. Yeah, I don't know. But Mary Shufflin in that potato sack.

We Wine Whenever (17:50.424)
I don't honestly.

We Wine Whenever (17:55.511)
I don't know either.

We Wine Whenever (18:00.781)
I know that was so funny. That was so funny. Listen, I don't think I would have been doing anything other than that either. cannot imagine me trying to jump and hop. I would have been doing my little shuffle thing too, probably.

Kelli (18:13.982)
For sure, for sure. I mean, I remember doing that at field day. Yeah, yeah. No, no. Things are bouncing around too much now. Everything was nice and tight back then.

We Wine Whenever (18:19.81)
At school? Yeah, as a kid. Not as a grown woman.

We Wine Whenever (18:29.733)
yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then, before that, the sacrace Heather's teaching Meredith had to start a fire with a lighter. I'm just like, and then Meredith is wearing her Burberry and she makes some reference about that, about, you know, starting a fire in her Burberry. And then when,

Kelli (18:33.406)
You

We Wine Whenever (18:54.966)
Mary and Angie shows up, Mary says, guess an hour late is the norm these days. Referencing Mary being late. Again, not necessary. Not necessary. Heather then gives everyone a whistle and explains that the whistle is...

Kelli (19:04.904)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (19:17.55)
to

Kelli (19:17.976)
if you've sensed danger or if you want to get out of a bad situation, I guess, like in the conversation.

We Wine Whenever (19:23.895)
situation, right, right, right. And that she dug a hole in the ground over there if they need to go to the bathroom. I don't know if it was, I mean, I think it probably was a joke, but I don't think that there was a bathroom there. I mean, cause they were like, they were in the middle of nowhere.

Kelli (19:31.976)
That had to be a joke, right? Because I wouldn't have eaten or drank anything either.

Kelli (19:42.647)
hell no. Yeah, no, you can't, don't invite me anywhere where there's not a proper bathroom. No, no, no, those days are over. Those high school days drinking in the woods.

We Wine Whenever (19:48.803)
you

Just like.

We Wine Whenever (19:57.346)
Yeah, no, no, can't do that. No, no. Then Lisa said to Brittany that she saw Jared in all of her Instagram stories. Again, like, all right, so.

Kelli (19:58.908)
not squatting on the ground anymore.

Kelli (20:13.382)
I know, but what is this girl doing?

We Wine Whenever (20:15.361)
I know.

I saw on social media, I think it was TikTok, some girl was like, I was watching this girl on Salt Lake and I said, wow, she looks familiar. And then like she walks over to her wedding album and she opens it up and she goes, she's my father's ex-wife. Yes. So I commented on it and I started following it. So we're gonna have to follow this and see.

Kelli (20:38.909)
What?

We Wine Whenever (20:48.097)
I don't even rem-

Kelli (20:48.222)
So Brittany was her husband's ex-wife?

We Wine Whenever (20:51.533)
Britney was married to this girl who got married's father. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So yeah, because we know that she was married with the children and she doesn't talk to the children, right? So like, and then the Jared thing and where was this guy in the picture?

Kelli (20:58.44)
Rather.

That's wild.

Kelli (21:12.614)
I don't know, we definitely have to follow up on that though.

We Wine Whenever (21:15.424)
Yes, I thought that that was interesting. I was like, whoa. But even still, Brittany says that she was dating 10 guys when Lisa said to her, what's with Jared all over your story? And she's like, well, I'm doing it BYU style. What?

Kelli (21:17.586)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:33.79)
Well, she means she's only kissing them at the end of the night. That's what she meant by that, which was ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (21:42.729)
But then Heather starts explaining the soaking and no thrusting or pumping or or get like I was like

Kelli (21:49.032)
Tess was in the room with me with that for that too. She was like, what the hell? I'm like, I know. I know.

We Wine Whenever (21:56.802)
I mean, I guess if this, if it wasn't for the secret lives of Mormon wives, this would have been all new to us. But this is old news. This is old news now. You should have told us this in the first season, not the fifth. Like they did on their first season.

Kelli (22:02.832)
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. Exactly. She should have had a glossary of terms in her, not that I read her book, but in her book, that would have been helpful.

We Wine Whenever (22:16.948)
Yeah. Yeah.

So then Heather asked, what were your favorite memories from camp? And Brittany said just before the testimony, which I guess she was going to like a Mormon camp, that she would go into the wilderness by herself. What? Like that was your favorite memory of camp?

Kelli (22:36.125)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:45.342)
Yeah, it sounds scary as hell.

We Wine Whenever (22:47.232)
Right. And then Angie asks her, are you, you know, are you a practicing Mormon? And she says, yeah, I'm still practicing. And she's like, well, does your bishop know that you're drinking because you were so upset with me, you know, about bringing you alcohol. And she said, well, and Angie says, in my religion, I'm allowed to drink alcohol, but I know in yours, you're not. So like, why are you, why are you being that way? And then all of a sudden Mary's like,

yeah, you're being two faced. And that's kind of when this whole thing started going sideways because that's when, that's when Meredith jumps in. Meredith says, I'm not, and then Brittany, Brittany comes jumps in and she's cause Meredith jumps in and she yells Brittany to, she tells her to shut up. I'm not talking to you. And I'm just like,

Kelli (23:20.902)
Yes, it sure did.

Kelli (23:25.171)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:37.502)
She says, have manners. And then she tells her to shut up.

We Wine Whenever (23:39.701)
I just shut up. know. Exactly. That was funny. I'm not talking to you. Shut up. And then there's like, you asked me to leave. Yeah.

Kelli (23:43.73)
I mean, it's Mary, so we're letting it slide, but that was funny.

Kelli (23:52.552)
And then she says, I have manners.

We Wine Whenever (23:57.13)
Lisa then says to Bronwyn, why don't you ask Whitney what she said about Heather? So then, now Lisa's trying to stir up the about what Whitney said about Heather. And then Angie said, you were talking about Lisa when we went on that walk. Remember when they went on the walk and Bronwyn, Bronwyn was there, but she didn't really participate in the conversation when Whitney. Right, exactly.

Kelli (24:14.237)
Right.

Kelli (24:21.244)
No, she said, I don't know that side of Lisa. I mean, she was, she said exactly what she said. said.

We Wine Whenever (24:27.507)
Yes, no, she did. She was actually honest with the whole thing.

Kelli (24:32.422)
And hopefully Lisa watches that back and sees that she was not participating in that. Even Angie wasn't saying that much. It was really only Whitney that was going off.

We Wine Whenever (24:41.214)
No!

It was, it definitely was. And then Lisa again starts calling, you know, telling Whitney that she's lying. And that's a trigger for Whitney. And she starts like, don't call me a liar. And then Mary says, but that's true. You do lie to Whitney. And it is true. She does lie, you know, like she doesn't always speak the truth. And then all of a sudden it comes out about the copycat jumpsuit.

Kelli (25:05.118)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:13.172)
that Lisa wore. It is ugly. It's ugly. It's ugly. And Lisa's like, but I got it off the runway. You probably bought it at Bergdorf's. I'm like, who cares?

Kelli (25:13.182)
Who cares ladies, by the way, it's fucking ugly. It's so ugly.

Like who cares?

Kelli (25:27.388)
Who cares? Did you see Britney's social media? She got one of those red. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:35.648)
Yes, I did. Yes, I did. And by the way, there's not only three of them. Yeah.

Kelli (25:42.814)
I'm sure that was a knockoff, still, made for great content.

Kelli (25:48.86)
That was funny.

We Wine Whenever (25:48.864)
So then Mary calls her a dingbat and Meredith blows her whistle. I'm like, this is like another shit show.

Kelli (26:01.756)
Yeah, a total fail. Whatever they were trying to do was a total fail.

We Wine Whenever (26:03.295)
Right, right. So then Mary gets up and is like, I don't have time for this. know, I'm, I have all this going on with my child and she gets up and she lives, she leaves. And then Braun was like, everyone wants to be all over me. And then she gets up and leaves. And then Mary says, I should have stayed at home. And she probably should have.

So that whole campfire thing, and Heather's just sitting there with her face in her hands like, I tried to make this better.

Kelli (26:35.932)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (26:37.76)
but she didn't really try and make it better. I mean.

Kelli (26:39.558)
No, not at all. Not at all.

We Wine Whenever (26:44.894)
And then we see Meredith is going to be doing her Shabbat dinner the next day. And she invites over Heather, Brittany, Jared, Bronwyn, and Todd. And then Lisa shows up with Seth a little, or John, Lisa shows up with John a little while later.

Kelli (26:45.15)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (27:08.318)
I did think it was interesting that she invited Bronwyn and Todd because like, I know.

Kelli (27:15.026)
Yeah, and Heather called him Alan.

Kelli (27:20.818)
And she did prior to that at Brahman's house.

We Wine Whenever (27:23.199)
No, no.

Kelli (27:25.15)
I thought it was weird that Brittany and Jared were there.

We Wine Whenever (27:30.429)
He too, and then even the conversation that Jared is having about him being part Jewish.

Kelli (27:36.882)
Part 2 is

We Wine Whenever (27:40.657)
I don't know. That whole, every interaction with them lately is just very odd. And even

Kelli (27:40.668)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:46.438)
It is. then John starts explaining, was John adopted? Is this the first we know that John's adopted?

We Wine Whenever (27:53.417)
I didn't know he was adopted before this.

Kelli (27:54.898)
I mean, I'm assuming he's adopted because she's talking about his birth mother and birth father. Right?

We Wine Whenever (28:03.647)
I don't even know, to be honest with you. I don't even know. I don't even know.

Kelli (28:04.967)
I'm finding it all very hard to follow. It's like they're either talking in ways you can't follow or they're screaming and cursing at each other. There is no in-between.

We Wine Whenever (28:11.84)
You

We Wine Whenever (28:17.777)
No, it's so true. And even the fact that like Heather's there talking to Brooks and Chloe, and she once again is talking about the pumping and the soaking.

Kelli (28:27.58)
Yeah, it's weird.

We Wine Whenever (28:29.171)
Like these are her children. Why is she talking with Meredith's children about this?

Kelli (28:34.91)
Yeah, and remember how upset season one, Meredith got with Jen Shah because she was talking to Brooks about something like sexual.

We Wine Whenever (28:46.459)
I thought she got upset with Jen Shaw because Jen Shaw or Brooks had said something about Jen Shaw like putting her boobs in his face or something. Something like that. Yeah.

Kelli (28:56.466)
Yeah, it was something like that. thought, I thought, yeah, but Meredith got very, you know, offended by it. So Heather better tread lightly.

We Wine Whenever (29:01.404)
Right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (29:09.599)
So then also before that, so Seth is talking to Jared and he's telling him how he finds it so interesting that the Jews celebrate by drinking and then the Mormons like ban it, it's prohibited. So like why does one religion celebrate it and the other religion bans it? Like does he really think that Jared's gonna have the answer to that?

Kelli (29:32.904)
We sell our religion celebrates it Why do Mormons not is it because of the addiction like they it's Right. It's anything that you could get addicted to so that's why they don't want you drinking caffeine and all like seem Yeah

We Wine Whenever (29:34.411)
you

We Wine Whenever (29:39.982)
Yeah, yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (29:47.292)
Right. But they don't seem to have a problem with sugar or fake sugar because they all drink diet sodas, which again, also very, also very addictive. Both of them very addictive. I also thought it was interesting when Todd said when he started dating Braun, when that he had the CIA do a full

Kelli (29:55.912)
that's right. That's Yes, exactly. Yes.

and

We Wine Whenever (30:16.434)
background check on her. The CIA? How do you do that? How do you summon the CIA?

Kelli (30:19.464)
Well, I don't know, but I was thinking about this. This would explain why they don't have a prenup because clearly he had the means and the connections to do some serious background checking. And she came out completely clean. She said she was successful in her own right when they got married. I'm sure she was not worth anywhere near what he's worth, but he must have been very pleased with the results.

We Wine Whenever (30:30.622)
Mmm.

We Wine Whenever (30:36.136)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:44.584)
Right.

Kelli (30:49.227)
of that background check and fully trusted her.

We Wine Whenever (30:53.534)
Right. It does make sense. It does make sense. I mean, I still think it's a little odd.

Kelli (30:56.56)
And yeah, but I guess with his, you know, with his money and who knows what else he was into, you know, maybe he was into some secret society shit. I don't know. I don't want people coming for him though for telling her not to use the C word because I got to be honest with you. My husband would do the same thing. I never use that word. I never say that word.

We Wine Whenever (31:19.88)
I don't either. I don't either.

Kelli (31:20.84)
The C word is to me, it's not as bad obviously, but like the N word, like obviously I never use that word, but the C word, I never use that word. If I ever said that at a dinner party, Eric would have had the exact same reaction. So I really hope people don't come for him for correcting her in this respect, because I don't think there was anything wrong with it personally.

We Wine Whenever (31:29.553)
No.

We Wine Whenever (31:45.135)
No, but she said it was it was snarky bitch. She said it. She said

Kelli (31:50.002)
no, she said the C word. They beeped it out. She also said that, but she said, she definitely said the C word.

We Wine Whenever (31:58.287)
Okay, because he also said it to that. said, don't say that to this snarky bitch as well. Which again, you know, I don't think that there's anything wrong with that either. if, no, no.

Kelli (32:09.832)
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Kelli (32:14.598)
I hate that word. I hate the C word.

We Wine Whenever (32:16.497)
I do too.

Kelli (32:22.588)
Meredith says out loud to the table that she thinks there's something more serious going on with Mary, right?

We Wine Whenever (32:27.685)
Yes. Yep. says she thinks that there's a bigger issue.

And actually even Brittany agrees with her in this, know, she said, maybe, maybe there's something to what Meredith is saying because she was acting out of character. Maybe there is something else going on.

Kelli (32:47.452)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:51.582)
And then we see that Mary goes home and we see her talk to Robert Jr. in his room.

Kelli (32:58.098)
That was hard to watch. I was putting off watching this episode because I knew this was going to be hard to watch.

We Wine Whenever (32:59.568)
It was hard.

We Wine Whenever (33:03.78)
No, it was definitely hard to watch. I will say that I did think he looked good compared to how we've seen him the other times in the season. You know, he did look good. And he was honest with her. And I think that, you know, she was honest with her feelings. She asked him, how are you? He said, you know, taking Xanax and...

Kelli (33:09.95)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (33:33.284)
you know, that I'm taking Adderall to balance out the Xanax. And she said, well, do you see this as a problem? Are you unhappy? He says, sometimes I feel like life is like chicken unseasoned. But when I get high, it's like adding seasoning to it. And I thought to myself, that is a very interesting analogy. And I think that

Kelli (34:00.702)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (34:02.139)
It's a good analogy. it's a, it really is. I had never ever heard that before. And I think that that's a good analogy. And I think that, I don't know what made him think of that, but I guess that's how he felt. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, I think everyone could feel exactly what he meant when he said that. Mary said, well, when did you start?

Kelli (34:03.838)
Great analogy.

Kelli (34:08.798)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (34:16.825)
Me neither, but it was great. Yeah.

Kelli (34:24.904)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (34:30.446)
and he said he just turned 16. He started doing Xanax with acid and then molly and then mix it with everything and then cocaine.

And you know, you could see Mary's face and you know, we're parents. know that that can be deadly. Like it is a miracle that he is still sitting here telling this story. It's a, it's a miracle. And regularly he was taking 30 milligrams of oxy.

Kelli (34:50.558)
Mmm.

Kelli (34:55.312)
Yeah, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (35:05.634)
Mm-hmm. And that he felt like that this at one day he was taking ten at once and that was a turning point for him because he didn't feel it at all. He didn't feel it at all.

And that's, know, Mary started crying. She was crying the whole time. Like, you know, I won't judge you. I will love you. I will help you. I will try and help you. but I won't, right. You have to do this. I won't support this, but I will support you. And you know, you have to do this yourself, which he does. And.

Kelli (35:31.166)
You gotta want it though.

Kelli (35:40.424)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (35:44.205)
inter confessional was really even heartbreaking too when she says that she feels disappointed in herself, you know, and that she didn't, you know, she did know that he smoked weed and did edibles, but she had no idea the extent. And I get that she's disappointed in herself because she's a parent and she's a mom and we blame ourselves for everything. And, you know, she's telling them that he is blessed.

Kelli (36:03.014)
Yeah, everything.

We Wine Whenever (36:11.705)
with every day and that God loves him. And he is blessed. The fact that he's even sitting here to tell this story after everything that he's done and taken, like that is a blessing. And, you know, then he goes on to say that, you know,

Kelli (36:21.341)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (36:32.185)
He wanted to die at the time. I mean, he actually said those words and that Mary said, do you know what that would do? It would kill me. And then he said, I felt like a stain, like he was a stain on the name, on the family. I felt like this world wasn't for me. And I was just like, my gosh, like, and

Kelli (36:34.504)
That's really sad.

Kelli (36:51.923)
Man.

We Wine Whenever (36:59.63)
He does tell her that the only reason he didn't do it was because of her. And I believe that, I believe that, I believe that that's why he was able to.

Kelli (37:04.605)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:13.284)
find the strength to tell her what was happening and so now he can get the help that he needs, you know, because he couldn't do that to his mother. And I also think

Kelli (37:17.682)
right.

Kelli (37:21.287)
Yep.

Kelli (37:24.85)
Right. Right.

I don't think there's anything more Mary could have done in that moment. Like, I just think that she handled that so perfectly. I really do.

We Wine Whenever (37:37.049)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:41.538)
No, I do too. No!

Kelli (37:41.798)
You can't change anybody. You can't make them want anything. I don't personally watching her, like, I don't know if I would have, I don't know if I would have been like that in that conversation. Cause I'm gonna just get crazy in my head. She was so good. She was so calm. She was so like empathetic, but, but stern, like, I don't know. She was just, she was, yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:56.504)
Yeah, she was-

We Wine Whenever (38:05.55)
supportive. She was very supportive. She was very loving. And I do think, you know, like I just said, it is a blessing that he is alive because of everything that he did take. And I do think that the fact that he did finally have the strength to be honest with her, I really think that that's because Mary has been praying for him this whole time. And I really do think this was a divine intervention that allowed him

Kelli (38:27.408)
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (38:34.041)
to be able to open up to her. And I think that her being there and to be able to receive it and to help him is all because of what got him to this place and her faith. I think that if he didn't have a mom there that loved him so much that this would have went a totally different way. But she was there and she even said earlier in the season that he's not

Kelli (38:55.046)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (39:03.745)
He's, you know, I am supporting him. He's not ready to work. And she knew something was going on, but she didn't know the extent of it. And how could she? Because, you know, he wasn't telling her. So.

Kelli (39:11.377)
Right.

Kelli (39:15.94)
Right. And look, she said he was a straight A kid until he graduated high school. Like, you know, he was obviously doing all the right things. So I'm not saying she should feel guilty, but you know, as mothers, we just naturally do. But I don't think, you know, taking your eye off the ball when your kid's getting straight A's and doing everything he's supposed to do, you know, it's easy to do.

We Wine Whenever (39:31.36)
We do.

We Wine Whenever (39:40.834)
Right.

100%. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't even, yeah. Andy did say on the Watch What Happens Live that night, cause it was down in Miami, that he did speak to Mary and that her message was that Robert is doing much better. Yeah. Which is, yes, yet another blessing, you know? Like every day is a blessing.

Kelli (39:47.858)
But that was the...

Kelli (40:04.68)
Thank God.

Kelli (40:10.748)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:12.181)
We all need to remember that, all of us, because even when we have a hard day, you know, you've to be like, you know, at least I had a day, at least I was here, you know, because life is not easy sometimes. It's not.

Kelli (40:18.226)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (40:27.038)
Every day is harder than the last.

We Wine Whenever (40:31.001)
Yeah, no, it's true. Yeah. And you know what? So it's interesting. So I, I had therapy today. I do, you know, do therapy regularly. And when I was talking to my therapist, you know, it occurred to me that although I, I'm tired and I, you know, I've said that earlier tonight, I'm tired.

and I feel like there's a lot on my plate. I am still grateful and blessed at what I do have because I know this time of year is very hard for a lot of people. And we talked about it, my therapist and I talked about it. She's like, you have no idea. said, I actually, you're right, I don't have any idea. She's like between all the people that had a hard time with the election and then all these same people that are now gonna be getting together with their family for the holidays who have different

Kelli (41:06.462)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (41:10.512)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (41:27.928)
beliefs as them and what do you say and what don't you say and then all the people that don't have anybody to go to. She's like it is you know this is the time of year when people are really struggling and you know what I think that one thing that we can do is we can just be kind to others and when you're out there doing your Christmas shopping or trying to park the car or you know someone does something that annoys you just think well

Kelli (41:29.842)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (41:47.102)
You're right.

We Wine Whenever (41:56.566)
Maybe they're having a hard day and give them grace, give grace to others because it's very difficult this time of year for a lot of people, for a lot of reasons. So I think maybe we could end on that, is to remember to just be positive and give people grace, right? Yeah. Thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Until next time.

Kelli (41:58.163)
Right.

Kelli (42:06.856)
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Kelli (42:14.044)
I think so too.

Kelli (42:18.268)
Yep, be thankful.

Kelli (42:25.159)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (42:26.006)
Bye.