RHOP- Speed Dating & You Get What You Get

We Wine Whenever (00:00.608)
Hi, welcome to Wee Wiman Ever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 9, Episode 10. Love in the Fast Lane. Yeah. I, yeah. I thought it was kind of cute, this beat dating. We start out with Giselle talking to her daughters, Grace, Angel, and Adore. She wants to talk about Pop's will. And this was

Kelli (00:02.992)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:13.062)
Mm. I got it. Speed dating.

Kelli (00:19.888)
I did too.

Kelli (00:29.309)
Well before that she does say that her girls are fourth generation to go to an HBCU, which I did have to look up by the way. Historically Black College and Universities. Which is very, I mean that's commendable, fourth generation. Yeah, that's.

We Wine Whenever (00:38.274)
Yes. Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (00:47.95)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (00:52.379)
That's amazing.

We Wine Whenever (00:53.856)
And I wonder if they're going to the same one. We still don't know that. I know.

Kelli (00:57.199)
We still don't know, I know, because we talked about it last week and she doesn't, she's not saying, so, you know, that's all right. Maybe they just, you know, some, I'm sure some housewives share it, some don't, you know.

We Wine Whenever (01:09.91)
Yeah, we'll have to see. But what she tells us about Pop's will is very interesting to me. So his original will went missing. And then two days after his surgery, he supposedly signed a new will. And she's contesting it in court.

Kelli (01:31.693)
she should. There's no way he was cognizant enough to sign a new will a couple of days out of brain surgery, right? That's what he had. There's no way. My mother had had, you know, had similar surgery.

We Wine Whenever (01:34.623)
No.

We Wine Whenever (01:39.34)
Right, right, yes, no.

We Wine Whenever (01:47.277)
And there's no way he would have wanted to.

Kelli (01:49.829)
Right, right. That's the bottom line. There's no way that man would cut his children and grandchildren out of his will. just, I mean, we don't, we didn't know him personally, but it, yes, like they, she was obviously very close with her father and so were her daughters. And I'm sure her siblings were just as close. So none of it makes sense. I'm glad she's contesting it. And I really pray that she's successful.

We Wine Whenever (01:52.532)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (02:02.315)
what we knew of him.

We Wine Whenever (02:09.825)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (02:20.167)
I think she will be. think she will be because I guess he's remarried is really the situation.

Kelli (02:25.307)
Yeah, I guess he's remarried. And who knows? Maybe it wasn't even, it might not have even been his wife. It could have been his wife's children or, you know, I'm just saying it could have been, could have been of a few, you know, there's other options.

We Wine Whenever (02:36.279)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:42.103)
So if she gets it thrown out in the state of Georgia where he lives, if you die without a will, two thirds of it goes to the survivors, which would be her and her family. And if not, they get nothing, which he would never want that. I'm guessing to the state, that's crazy.

Kelli (02:56.199)
Where does the other third go? To the state? That's something, isn't it? You know, it sounds to me like he was a wealthy man, right? And had something to pass down. So wouldn't you think he would have a copy of his will at an attorney's office?

I guess not everybody does that,

We Wine Whenever (03:27.015)
No, listen, I've learned through firsthand through family, don't really assume you know what's going on and you know, whatever happened happened and this is where they're at now. So, know, he stood, you know, she said this that he stood on generational wealth and you know, this got her that's, know, which what you that's what you do. This got her thinking, you know, if she was to

Kelli (03:35.579)
Yeah, you're right.

Kelli (03:40.764)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:50.62)
Yes.

Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (03:56.764)
know, get married. She doesn't want anything like this to happen. And she spoke to Jamal about it and he's going to be getting married again soon. So he let her know that he put everything in trust for, for the girls and that supersedes any will, which is very good to know. Right. And, know, Giselle still says she's not going to be getting married and her daughters are like, well, why don't you just do what dad did? Like, you don't have to be single forever for us.

Kelli (04:07.548)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:11.495)
Yes.

Yes.

We Wine Whenever (04:26.39)
But she, you know what? I think she's a great mom. Yep. I think she's a great mom. Listen, I think she's a great mom.

Kelli (04:27.918)
She said, don't trust these people in the streets.

I do too, and I don't blame her. I wouldn't get married again if this one don't work out. And I got nothing. I got nothing. And I'm still not getting married again.

We Wine Whenever (04:37.908)
Yeah, no, I wouldn't either.

We Wine Whenever (04:43.732)
Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah.

Kelli (04:48.057)
One is quite enough.

We Wine Whenever (04:50.121)
Yeah. So the next scene we see is TJ's making pizza for Stacey.

Kelli (04:56.017)
I can't figure this guy out for the life of me. As soon as I think I got it figured out, I don't have it figured out. And that pizza looked disgusting. And I'm not opposed to a Bobbily crust. I have used Bobbily crust. But what he do? He put olive oil on it. He put mozzarella cheese and grape tomatoes.

We Wine Whenever (04:58.431)
He is so bizarre.

We Wine Whenever (05:06.292)
And the bonnet?

We Wine Whenever (05:22.302)
Yeah, he doesn't know what he's doing in pizza making or in relationships. I mean, he is he needs a new book or something.

Kelli (05:29.917)
Something. Like, is he gay and he's just her friend and he wanted to be on TV? I can't figure it out.

We Wine Whenever (05:32.427)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:36.021)
Mm.

We Wine Whenever (05:41.131)
I can't figure it out either. I after the crazy pizza making, he says to her, you know, know you were stressed at Wendy's party, but he felt like he was an Uber date. And she's like, well, what do you mean? He's like, well, you never checked on me. She's like, I don't think this is fair. I don't think we talked about this last week. Like this is, I mean, she's working. Right, right. He's a grown ass man. Right, right.

Kelli (06:02.127)
is a gross man. She's on a TV show. You're on TV TJ. You know how this works. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:13.651)
Yeah. I mean, he just didn't even make any sense. He really didn't make any sense. And then, and she apologizes, which I didn't think she needed to, and she says it won't happen again. Again, didn't think that needed to happen. And then he asks her if she's thought about hiring a forensic accountant. Now he's getting all into her business with mediation. What is that about? And she's like, well, I didn't really share.

Kelli (06:20.413)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (06:25.297)
Me neither.

Kelli (06:34.122)
Right. Yep. Yep.

agreed.

We Wine Whenever (06:42.705)
everything with him, which as you shouldn't. Right, right.

Kelli (06:44.987)
No, please don't. Please don't. Yeah, because now I'm starting to think like, what, like, right, what are you doing? Because did you, do you remember at the party when he was talking to Ray and he was like, yeah, and then I found out that other co-stars were getting $50,000 bonuses. Did you hear that? Yeah, he was talking to-

We Wine Whenever (06:50.068)
I was gl-

Right. What's he doing?

We Wine Whenever (07:06.97)
No, I just heard him talking about IBM computers.

Kelli (07:10.565)
Yeah, they were talking about that. And then I think it was Ray he was still talking to. He was talking to somebody at the party about other people that he like coworkers that were, I'm assuming he was bringing it up because they were making bigger bonuses than he was. But, you know, yeah, like is he, you know, is he just trying to tap into that money? Cause I think her soon to be ex has some dough.

It sounds like it, the way they traveled and...

We Wine Whenever (07:43.506)
Yeah, I don't know. He just gives me a creepy, creepy vibe.

Kelli (07:48.549)
Yeah, something's definitely off with this guy. Definitely off. hope, you know, I wonder if they're still together. he was the bartender on Watch What Happens Live that night with his cheer shirt.

We Wine Whenever (07:52.763)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:02.26)
Yes, yes, yes he was. Listen, I'm glad that Stacey said, listen, the ladies, you know, the ladies said that she shouldn't move forward with the relationship after a 16 year marriage. Like you need to just slow your roll and get the divorce settled first. Yeah, yeah, and get the divorce settled because it's not gonna look good for you. Especially if...

Kelli (08:21.883)
Have those slutty years, Stacey, have those slutty years.

Kelli (08:27.941)
No, no.

We Wine Whenever (08:29.362)
you know, you don't really know what's going on. You thought you did and you thought everything was going to be cool, but now you're finding out maybe not so cool. You better slow down." And he says he's not offended by that. But then she asked if he would continue this journey if she were to see other people because he first thought it was because he wasn't going to have sex until they were married. And what does sex have to do with anything? And she's like, well,

Kelli (08:36.059)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:58.899)
What if I were to see other people? And he's like, well then, you know, I wouldn't close the door to me seeing other people, which I don't blame him. I mean, if you're seeing, you I don't know.

Kelli (09:08.583)
Well, absolutely, but he's not gonna be having sex with anybody else and she probably wants to. I mean, come on. Like you've been with the same guy for almost 20 years, you're getting divorced. if your marriage is ending, that probably is an indicator that you weren't being intimate for some time anyway.

We Wine Whenever (09:14.299)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:20.72)
Right. Go see what's.

We Wine Whenever (09:30.886)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:35.315)
Yeah, he says I'll still care about you. Yeah, she definitely needs to get out.

Kelli (09:35.581)
Damn, get out. But he wasn't saying absolutely not. Could you imagine like when you were dating Bill being like, what do you think? Should I, you know, if I wanted to see other people, like, I be like, go ahead. You go see other people and you won't be seeing me anymore. Like he wasn't, he wasn't like, hell no. Which is odd.

We Wine Whenever (09:46.898)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:54.917)
Right. Right.

I know. He's got just some weird vibe. I don't know. We'll have to see how this whole thing plays out. Then we see Wendy and her sister Ivy, they go to the bar. thought it was odd that they did the shot of tequila and her sister says, make it too strong. She's like, it's a shot. Like it is a shot. what do you do? It's a shot. I thought it was odd until her mother showed up and we find out that she hadn't told her mother yet.

Kelli (10:03.325)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:18.393)
I don't think she realized what they were doing. That was funny.

Kelli (10:29.703)
She was, she needed some liquid courage.

We Wine Whenever (10:31.963)
Yes, yes she did. Yes she did. And, you know, she orders extra alcohol for her mom. And then her mom starts to say the prayer and then Wendy's talking to the waiter and getting, I don't even know what she was ordering because I was listening to her mom prayer and their mom's like, you interrupted me. Like, I think she was so nervous and so flustered. I think that she just was just like, and you know,

Kelli (10:33.83)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:52.093)
Yeah, what the?

Kelli (10:56.411)
Yes, you're probably right.

We Wine Whenever (11:00.784)
She knows who her mom is and when her mom scolded her, she's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, mom.

Kelli (11:02.353)
Yeah

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:08.659)
So then she says, you know, I have something to tell you. And Ivy's like, can I exit the chat? And she's like, no, no, no, no, cannot. And then she tells her mom that she recently resigned from her position at the university and the look on her mom's face. And then she says, are you crazy? Her mom says, are you crazy? She's like, I lost my appetite.

She said, listen, I want to focus on spending time with her children and her talk show. And her mom says she's so lost. And I don't know if she's talking about herself, like her mom is lost, or if she's thinking Wendy's lost. I think she thought she was lost. Her mom, what do you think when she said that?

Kelli (11:56.039)
thought she was talking about Wendy, cause she was like, if it's not serving you.

We Wine Whenever (12:02.127)
Well, because then, so her mom said, you know, if you're not satisfied, move on, right? You still have all your credentials. I...

Kelli (12:13.053)
They can't ever take that away from her.

We Wine Whenever (12:15.501)
Right, so I think she was saying that, like she was lost as to, I don't know, I'm not really sure what she meant by that. But she did, I mean, I felt like at the end she was like, okay, I support you, you know what? Yeah.

Kelli (12:23.965)
Yeah, it was a little confusing.

Kelli (12:30.119)
She was very supportive at the end. know, sometimes like I try to explain that to my kids too, because they'll be like, I can't tell you anything because of the way you react. I'm like, it's just a process I have to go through. Obviously I get, you know, very, I'm very reactive, but then I have to like think about it and settle down and then I can, you know, have a conversation about it. But I thought her mother was very supportive in the end.

We Wine Whenever (12:44.399)
You react, you're reactive.

We Wine Whenever (12:56.709)
Yeah, I did too. I did too. And then Ashley meets up with Giselle and they're gonna go speed dating. I thought it was fun. It was great.

Kelli (13:03.313)
This was, yeah, great scene. So fun. I really, really liked this. And I was thinking to myself, like, I just think that we're seeing, we're seeing such a fun side of Gisele and Ashley this season. And I have to attribute it to Robin not being there. Nobody's accusing somebody as husband of cheating on them. Like it's just not messy. Like they're fun. Like I know Gisele's going to have some issues with Karen, but

We Wine Whenever (13:19.524)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (13:26.001)
Right.

Kelli (13:33.029)
rightfully so, after she planned that damn party the same day or whatever. just, yeah, yeah. So God only knows what happens next. But yeah, I thought this was a great scene.

We Wine Whenever (13:34.641)
Yeah.

Right. And she still got past that. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:47.387)
I thought it was too. And I thought it was so funny when Giselle outside, she's like, what if, like, what if we like the same guy? And then she's like, so you want to pee on him? Like mark your territory. I really actually love the Ashley Giselle dynamic. I love it. I love it. And you know, so Ashley, have three minutes each. So Ashley's first date brings her this huge flower arrangement, cause it's her birthday.

Kelli (13:55.517)
You

Kelli (14:03.623)
Me too. Me too.

We Wine Whenever (14:16.347)
He did some digging up or investigating, which I thought was really creepy that he knew her favorite flower.

Kelli (14:21.007)
And he said, not in creepy way. I'm not really sure. Yeah, like I'm not really sure of other way we could go here.

We Wine Whenever (14:24.794)
In a stalker way!

We Wine Whenever (14:29.398)
Yeah, yeah, in a stalker way. Like that was weird. That was weird. And then the guy that's talking to Giselle, when he sees the flowers, he's like, what's your favorite flower? I'm like, that's even more awkward.

Kelli (14:32.636)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (14:41.661)
Exactly. Don't make eye contact. Don't bring life to the flowers. Let it go.

We Wine Whenever (14:46.855)
you

We Wine Whenever (14:51.526)
I was laughing and I'm laughing at Ashley the whole time because she was flirting with all the guys She was she was flirting with all the guys and she was having a fun time and even Giselle like I love the way Giselle would talk to them and you know Like her banter with them

Kelli (14:57.788)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:04.551)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:08.303)
I like that guy, Nomsni, Nomsi. Yeah, I thought he, I liked when they flashed back to that one guy she was dating for a while. She's like, clearly Gisele has a type. Yeah, she definitely does. But he seemed nice. They seemed like they were vibing. And then that guy Josh for Ashley. I mean, she likes a quirky white guy and this guy's actually got game. So that was a good fit for her.

We Wine Whenever (15:11.248)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:17.349)
Yes. Yes. She does have a type. She does.

We Wine Whenever (15:29.776)
She does. Yeah, yes.

Yeah. And I thought it was funny too that they both picked the same person for each other that they each picked for themselves, right?

Kelli (15:42.235)
Yeah, and then I don't know who that guy was who was like their moderator, but he's like, okay, so now what should I do? Should I be like, okay, so the following people step forward. Like, I wish we kind of saw how they wrapped that scene up because that must have been super awkward for everybody.

We Wine Whenever (15:49.509)
I know. Yes, I agree. I would have liked to seen that too. Then we see Karen and Ray are in the backyard and they're talking about the accident. Karen says that, you know, she realized that she was an emotional wreck that night. Come on, that's still what she's standing on.

Kelli (16:01.509)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (16:17.849)
I totally agree with you, Wendy. Like now she's blaming Ray. Now she's blaming the fact that Ray said he wasn't sure if he was still in love with her, what, six years ago? She's blaming that? I mean, your parents passed away how many years ago? Listen, and I'm not trying to minimize that, but it's like, Karen, come on. You fucking drove drunk. You blew, you were drunk. You gotta stop blaming everybody else.

We Wine Whenever (16:32.741)
years ago. I know, but still. Right. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (16:45.817)
Yeah, it's not a good look. I really think this is gonna be her last season. I don't think that she can withstand this because the viewers are, it's bullshit. It's bullshit. I mean, you could be Shady, you could be the Grand Dame, but just own your shit.

Kelli (16:51.59)
I agree with you.

Kelli (17:03.707)
And the thing is, is if we weren't simultaneously, at one point, now it's over, watching Shannon go through the same thing and be so humble and so accountable, we might be like, you know, maybe, maybe she can't talk about, maybe she can't admit, maybe she get, no, she can, because Shannon just did it on television.

We Wine Whenever (17:07.96)
Right.

Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (17:25.4)
And this is her second one.

Kelli (17:27.741)
That's so bad, that makes it so much worse. And I'm not judging her, listen, I'm very much capable of getting myself in trouble in that way. I have had a couple of drinks out and have driven and I shouldn't have. So I'm not judging her, I'm just saying she has to say, yes, I made that mistake and I did that. She still has not done that.

We Wine Whenever (17:52.364)
Right. Now I agree. I agree.

Kelli (17:55.613)
It's really wild.

We Wine Whenever (17:58.296)
I agree and Ray says you know he's been trying to be extra supportive I've even been your taxi cab.

Because I guess if you don't go to court, don't lose your license until it goes to court.

Kelli (18:10.255)
I guess not. mean, yeah, yeah. Cause you could go down and do it again.

We Wine Whenever (18:11.597)
Which is crazy. So she could. Right.

Kelli (18:19.227)
Yeah, it is crazy.

We Wine Whenever (18:19.524)
And then she's like, you we've been married for 28 years. Okay, but what does that have to do with anything? It's just, I'm mad at her. Yeah. Yep, you sure do.

Kelli (18:27.643)
Right, right. You have to learn how to cope.

And if you need to drink to cope, I get it, I hear you. But don't drive. You have to know at your age that you can't drive.

We Wine Whenever (18:44.248)
Right. Yes.

Kelli (18:45.851)
And if you do, have to admit and take accountability and pay the price.

We Wine Whenever (18:51.286)
Mm-hmm. Then we see Mia's on the phone with Gordon and then Kiana comes in and she ends the call. I thought this whole thing with her and Kiana talking about how she's gonna help her with Gordon, because Kiana's boyfriend Greg is in the mental health field, so she knows it by association, when really she has a spa. I mean, did I miss something there?

Kelli (19:14.535)
but she came in with her open arms shirt on. saw that, right?

We Wine Whenever (19:17.964)
I I mean, what? She doesn't work there. Right. Right.

Kelli (19:20.337)
When just last week she was telling us that she has her own business and she doesn't work there. But she's wearing the shirt this week.

We Wine Whenever (19:29.197)
I don't even know, like, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing?

Kelli (19:30.351)
No, you're right. Yeah, this was very, very produced, scene. Even just the way Mia was on the phone when she came in. And Gordon was like, it seemed like he was pouring a little bit of his heart out. She was like, okay, I gotta go now, Kiana's here. Like.

We Wine Whenever (19:51.075)
First she starts, first she doesn't even say anything, she just starts talking to Kierna. And like he's still on the phone. I'm like this, this is bad.

Kelli (19:56.54)
Right.

Kelli (19:59.963)
It was bizarre. It was bizarre.

We Wine Whenever (20:02.56)
It really was, it really was. She does mention to Kiana that she's gonna do the paternity test because Inc wants it. Even though she's convinced that Jeremiah is Gordon, but he acts exactly like Inc. Okay, man, which is it? Seriously.

Kelli (20:20.657)
And this is what I didn't like. She said that Ink is being, what's the son's name? Jeremiah? Jeremiah's daddy. He is stepping in to be his daddy. He doesn't need to step in to be his daddy. His daddy lives down the hall. Like Ink doesn't need to step in. Like know your place. That's not your place. His father is alive and well and he's right down the hall.

We Wine Whenever (20:29.719)
Jeremiah.

We Wine Whenever (20:42.53)
I

We Wine Whenever (20:49.379)
Well, he's not well, but he is alive. But still.

Kelli (20:51.173)
Right, yeah. Don't you think like, listen, I think it's wonderful that they're bringing light to mental health. I think more shows should do this, but I don't know. I feel like she's like, like kinda like how people think Dorit's going a little overboard with the alcoholic thing.

We Wine Whenever (21:12.662)
Yeah, I know, I hear you.

Kelli (21:14.705)
which we gotta talk about that when we're done talking about Potomac. And I feel like that's like, like you said, like sitting down with Kiarna and coming up with like a plan, like he's gonna, Greg's gonna help. Huh?

We Wine Whenever (21:27.638)
Yeah! Why isn't Greg there then? He's the mental health professional! What the hell are you doing there?

Kelli (21:30.502)
What?

And why isn't G here? Like, why are we all having this conversation about G and he's not even here?

We Wine Whenever (21:39.171)
I mean, have you ever heard of HIPAA? It's just crazy to me. It's so crazy. And I know, don't come for me. I know HIPAA is a doctor, a patient relationship. I know he signed a waiver to be on the show. I know all that, but still, still, right.

Kelli (21:41.753)
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Kelli (21:58.557)
Still though, I just feel like at this point, you know how I feel, I think Bravo's a sinking ship, but I feel like Bravo should be a little bit more careful with what they're putting on TV. But I guess they just feel like they're, like you said, he signed a waiver, we can say and do whatever we want.

We Wine Whenever (22:02.602)
I know. Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:08.918)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (22:13.952)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (22:17.029)
outrageous.

We Wine Whenever (22:18.196)
It really is. really is. So then we see Ashley meets up with her date Josh and they're playing beer pong. Ash. well, not so much me. probably about as good as Ashley. Yeah, it didn't really work.

Kelli (22:28.209)
Which we excel at, by the way, Wendy and I. I'm only kidding, we suck.

We try to hang with the 20 year olds and we suck.

We Wine Whenever (22:43.459)
Ashley asks, when was your last girlfriend? And he said two years ago. And then he tells you that two years ago he was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. Like that's a big bomb to drop, right? I thought it was odd she asked him about remission when he never said he was in remission. Like he could still have thyroid cancer. But he did say he was, he is in remission. I just.

Kelli (22:52.637)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (23:02.203)
Yeah. Yeah.

Right, but you're right, it was a risky question. On air.

We Wine Whenever (23:09.154)
Yeah, exactly. He's like, okay. She's a little bit concerned about his age because he's only 30. I don't remember how old Ashley is. I guess she's probably 40 now because she was, mean, you're going to look it up.

Kelli (23:14.012)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:23.165)
No, I'm you know what? I'm honestly gonna look that up because I don't know. feel like she's young. I feel like she was like 28 when she came on the show and how long she been on. I don't think she's more than 35, but let's see.

We Wine Whenever (23:37.494)
She does say he seems mature.

Kelli (23:41.853)
36 years old.

We Wine Whenever (23:42.069)
And she, she's 30, so he's 30. I mean, what's six years? But I guess, you know, men are usually less mature than women and she does have two kids and he's okay with that. So I guess, you know, that's where she, listen, I think it's probably better for someone like her who has two kids to get somebody who is younger, who doesn't have their own kids and you know, cause then it's just more, it's just more to complicate it, you know?

Kelli (23:45.659)
Yeah, that's not a big deal.

Kelli (23:50.673)
Well, yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (24:02.949)
Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (24:08.156)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (24:11.465)
I just heard that car. I did. That's crazy.

Kelli (24:12.721)
Holy cow, did hear that?

I think I know who it is, but I'm not gonna say.

We Wine Whenever (24:18.633)
Okay. I heard it through this, not through like outside. I know. We really are neighbors in case you guys are wondering. In our own homes. So then next we see me is at her apartment with Jeremiah and Juju and they're making cookies for school tomorrow. I know.

Kelli (24:23.791)
I know, I know, that's how loud that was.

We really are neighbors. Yep.

Kelli (24:43.362)
kids. I feel so bad for them.

We Wine Whenever (24:47.157)
This whole scene, it just kept getting worse.

Kelli (24:50.277)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:52.587)
Jeremiah asked, why do you and dad live in two different places? And Mia said, because dad and I are getting a divorce. And he said, he didn't know that. And she's like, no, think, I think we told you. And then, Gordon gets there and she starts telling him what the conversation was prior to him arriving and asks Mia then asked Jeremiah if he's still, if this still makes you sad. And Gordon said, you know,

Because Jeremiah said, yeah. And Gord's like, it's OK for him to be sad. And he's right. It is OK for him to be sad. Exactly. Like, I don't know where she thought she was taking this conversation.

Kelli (25:27.215)
Of course, and just like he said, if he wasn't sad, I'd be worried.

Kelli (25:36.413)
I don't know either. I think that somebody needs to get Mia out of the driver's seat of this bus because she is not doing a good job driving it.

We Wine Whenever (25:43.176)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (25:47.934)
I agree. I totally agree. I agree.

We Wine Whenever (25:54.122)
You know, Gordon says, I've resolved myself to a life after Maya and, and Mia says like, we need to put the kids first. And Gordon says he thinks that they're doing a good job. then Juju asked, where did you guys like find each other? Like, where did you meet? And Gordon says in Charlotte, like this is loaded.

Kelli (26:16.625)
Okay, like tell me you know your mother was a stripper without telling me you know your mother was a stripper. Like this little girl knew where her parents, I felt like her line of questioning was making it seem like she knew exactly where they met.

We Wine Whenever (26:25.906)
Yeah, I felt like you're-

We Wine Whenever (26:32.562)
Even Jeremiah, I feel like he knows why they live in two separate places. I think that this whole thing was set up and it was bad. It was set up so poorly.

Kelli (26:43.591)
So bad.

We Wine Whenever (26:46.656)
he finally says in a club and then Juju says you can't marry Mr. Inc. my gosh.

We Wine Whenever (26:58.418)
And she also says to Mia, you get what you get and you don't get upset.

Kelli (27:04.239)
That funny. That was so funny.

We Wine Whenever (27:04.81)
I mean, that was actually the best line. I mean, I think that's what we're gonna name this episode. That's what we're naming this episode. You get what you get and you don't get upset. That's what we're calling this one because that was the best line.

Kelli (27:13.541)
Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (27:18.171)
That was the best line. But did you notice that Mia said, Kiarna thinks you living here is ludicrous. Inc thinks we need boundaries. What do you think, Mia? Because you're putting stock into what everybody else is thinking.

We Wine Whenever (27:25.598)
Right. Right. Right. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (27:35.709)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (27:39.387)
That conversation was very strange. It went on too long. It made no sense. It's not something they should have been doing on camera with their kids. Like if you want to sit your kids down and talk about what's going on, do it privately. I don't think that should have been on the show.

We Wine Whenever (27:39.518)
etch

We Wine Whenever (27:46.737)
No, it made no sense.

We Wine Whenever (27:59.471)
or maybe get a counselor involved, like talk to a professional, not someone who's dating a professional. It's like, what? I don't get it. I just don't get it.

Kelli (28:01.477)
Exactly.

Kelli (28:14.971)
Right. Now.

We Wine Whenever (28:18.156)
these shows, they just...

And Mia says, she doesn't have any more to give. Like she's, and I get that she feels like she's done. I get it. You know what? She's done with Gordon. She feels like she's given everything she can. Okay. Well then do the right thing. Get the divorce, move on, come up with a custody arrangement and just move on. What you're doing now is this is, this is not good for your children.

Kelli (28:22.397)
I mean, god.

Kelli (28:32.465)
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Kelli (28:46.235)
No, this is not good for her children.

We Wine Whenever (28:50.503)
It's not. I-I...

I don't know. I have nothing else to say about this.

Kelli (28:56.475)
No, me neither. I mean, I thought it was a good episode. I really enjoyed the speed dating. But Mia, she's exhausting. I feel like she sucks the life out of every episode.

We Wine Whenever (29:01.437)
I did too.

We Wine Whenever (29:10.527)
Yeah, because it's always just about her. When she's, every conversation she's having, whether it's with Gordon or Inc or anybody, it's really only about her.

Kelli (29:13.351)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:22.257)
Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I'm not a fan. I feel like she's dragging the show down.

We Wine Whenever (29:27.987)
I'm not either. I agree.

Kelli (29:31.677)
but I do not want Robin back for the record.

We Wine Whenever (29:34.481)
Mm-mm. I agree. No Robin. I would take Candice back though.

Kelli (29:41.021)
Yeah. So what I wanted to say, did we say? Dory and PK.

We Wine Whenever (29:47.731)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:52.347)
It just came out, somebody like credible said that this is all for a storyline.

We Wine Whenever (29:57.596)
know if was somebody credible. It was a producer from Atlanta, the old producer. What's his name? Yes, Carlos King. Yes, but again, he's just surmising. You know what I'm saying? I don't really like him either. And I don't like that they put that headline out there, a producer, because okay, yeah, Carlos King was a producer. He's not a producer on this show.

Kelli (30:05.565)
Carlos King. That's who said this. Okay.

Yeah, I don't really like him quite honestly. I'm not a fan of his.

Kelli (30:24.433)
He's not anymore.

We Wine Whenever (30:25.894)
and he's not a producer anymore. it's just, it's so leading. It's so leading. It's clickbait. It's clickbait.

Kelli (30:27.919)
Okay. Okay.

Kelli (30:32.445)
It's just, it's so funny to me because I really, really thought Kyle and were doing it for a storyline. I really did. I mean, but I never got that impression with PK and Dorie.

We Wine Whenever (30:39.858)
I know you did.

We Wine Whenever (30:45.375)
I don't think they're doing it for a storyline.

Kelli (30:46.841)
I don't think they are either. And I really do think he probably had a drinking problem and that led to this.

I mean, you know, he's in that industry. It's a party industry. I could never work in that industry. would have, I would, I would, I wouldn't be able to, I would have a drinking problem. I wouldn't be coming home either. I know myself very, very well. And the other thing was we were talking about Teddy and how she moved in with Kyle. And I forget where I heard this, but basically she and Edwin are nesting.

We Wine Whenever (31:08.914)
hahahahah

Kelli (31:25.849)
So yes, just like what Jennifer Padantri was doing with her husband. so yes, she's an hour and a half away from her kids, but that's only because that's when Edwin has them and has full custody of them and is handling everything. And then I don't know if it's week to week or what, but then she comes and stays at the house and he leaves.

We Wine Whenever (31:26.792)
She goes back to the house.

We Wine Whenever (31:32.433)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (31:48.828)
which I think is good for the kids.

Kelli (31:50.509)
I do too, personally. mean, absolutely. Absolutely. Because it doesn't disrupt them at all.

We Wine Whenever (31:52.252)
Yeah, no, think that's what's best for the kids, to be honest with you. Yeah. So if, right, so if PK and Dorit were just honest, they could be doing the same thing.

Kelli (32:02.673)
Right. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. They're old enough. think that they, I mean, especially their son.

We Wine Whenever (32:04.465)
with their kids when I say be honest, honest with their kids, you know?

We Wine Whenever (32:11.751)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:14.299)
Maybe that's why people are speculating that it's for a storyline because they're not. I mean, it's so interesting, isn't it? Dorit's not telling her kids anything. And then you got Mia asking her son, do you know what divorce is? It's like one extreme to the other. Yeah, it is crazy. so that guy, Carlos King said that he's just opining. That's his opinion.

We Wine Whenever (32:26.757)
Right. It's like what?

It's crazy.

We Wine Whenever (32:41.903)
Yes, there's no facts behind this. No, no. And I don't like when people do that. I don't.

Kelli (32:45.245)
There's no hard facts behind it.

Kelli (32:50.545)
Well, you're right, because it does become clickbait. It becomes a title of an article that's not, there's nothing behind it.

We Wine Whenever (33:00.285)
And then I do believe though, Jeff Lewis has had quite a bit to say about the Dorit and PK thing. I'm not gonna repeat what he said, because I don't know how much of it's just him being Jeff Lewis and how much of it's true, because he's a pot stirrer.

Kelli (33:07.133)
PK. Yeah.

Kelli (33:15.397)
Right, right.

Kelli (33:19.741)
Yes, that's one thing. I mean, I don't like Tamra, but she said it today. She's like, he's getting in the middle of a lot of housewives and stuff. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (33:26.778)
He is, he really is. And it's interesting because he's coming back to Bravo. You think he would not be doing this now.

Kelli (33:31.845)
I know. Yeah. You think he'd just lay low. He can't lay low. That's just not enough.

We Wine Whenever (33:39.26)
You really can't. You can't.

Kelli (33:41.637)
And like, Rebecca, so Rebecca Minkoff, they were interviewing Rebecca Minkoff because she, know, Psy had that hot mic moment. and something, she was just on Jeff Lewis and something happened between she and Erin. They were shading each other. No, Rebecca Minkoff and Erin. She's not good with Erin right now, or Brynn, obviously. But she said, listen, he,

We Wine Whenever (33:58.108)
So, Cy and Aaron?

Kelli (34:10.377)
She was talking about the Psy Hot Mike moment and how it became a clip. She's like, well, got him more, more, you know, clicks and got him more likes. And, know, it doesn't matter how much money you have or how famous you are. Like that's why you put that stuff out there to get those likes. And she's right.

We Wine Whenever (34:28.282)
Yeah, just like, just like the same thing that happened with Margaret and Dorinda fighting on the commercial break.

Kelli (34:34.567)
Absolutely.

And that was Jeff Lewis as well.

We Wine Whenever (34:39.566)
Yes. And Melissa said that like when, you know, like when they go there, they usually have when they're filming, they have someone from Bravo there like monitoring them and they say to them, yes, they say to them, do not talk during the breaks. Do not talk during the breaks.

Kelli (34:50.877)
Really?

Kelli (34:58.247)
Teddy just said it too.

We Wine Whenever (35:03.608)
Mm-hmm. So that's what he does, you know, he's a he's

Kelli (35:06.671)
Yeah, and now it's like, it's his thing. Now it's becoming his thing.

We Wine Whenever (35:10.138)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:16.198)
So we'll see, we'll see what happens. It's so funny, I have not been listening to 2Ts, because I just, since OC, I just can't do it. And then the Teddy stuff, I just can't do it. I skip it, I see it, and I skip it. I see it and I skip it.

Kelli (35:29.053)
I hear you. I hear you. I only listen to the ones that I'm, like, I'm not listening to them recap anything, because I have no interest in hearing what Tamara has to say about anybody, because she was a train wreck this season. But I liked Rebecca Minkoff, and I don't think we're seeing everything we can see about her on New York. Right. Of course they ask her about the Scientology, and she, you know, she talks about it.

We Wine Whenever (35:42.128)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (35:50.639)
I'm sure we're not. probably would listen to that one. I would listen to that one to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (35:58.159)
So, you know, I wanted to learn more about her because I liked her. just, don't think we're seeing everything we could be seeing. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:08.261)
We're definitely not. We're definitely not. And I don't know if we will, because I don't know that she's, I don't know that she'll be coming back.

Kelli (36:12.229)
I know.

And she even said her husband is very skeptical on being on, which is why she has a friend of status in the first, you know, her first season. And she said, and they asked her like, will he be on camera next season? And she said, well, if, you know, I'm asked back, it'll be a TBD to be determined because she doesn't know how he'll feel.

We Wine Whenever (36:23.983)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (36:38.875)
I would advise him to stay away from the cameras.

Kelli (36:43.619)
Yeah. Especially if they're scrutinizing her about this Scientology thing. I don't know if her husband's a Scientologist. I'm assuming he is.

We Wine Whenever (36:52.003)
Even if they're not, listen, you don't need this, Rebecca Minkoff. You have a hundred million dollar company. Like you don't need this. You don't need this in your life. Just like Todd doesn't need it on Salt Lake. Like just run, run, run as fast as you can.

Kelli (36:57.701)
Exactly.

Kelli (37:02.841)
Nope. Yeah. I wonder if Bronwyn would walk away from the show. So, while you guys will hear this, so Lori mentioned in our recap of Salt Lake City that Bronwyn in an interview admit to having very bad anxiety. And we all said this explains a lot how Todd acts with her on camera. He's almost trying to protect her.

when he sees certain symptoms coming out of her anxiety. I know that feeling and you do, you wanna swoop in.

interesting.

We Wine Whenever (37:44.452)
I'd be surprised if she comes back. I'll be honest with you. And I actually do like her, but I don't think it's a good place for her because of her marriage. you know, anxiety aside, I don't think it's good for their relationship.

Kelli (37:46.33)
I would too.

Mm.

Kelli (37:58.351)
No, I agree. I agree.

We Wine Whenever (38:00.204)
And you know, what's more important, you know, is you don't, they don't need the money. They don't need it. She doesn't need the fame. She doesn't need it. She can just keep going.

Kelli (38:02.203)
Yeah.

No, no. Some husbands really lean into it.

We Wine Whenever (38:10.136)
Yeah, they do. Some do.

Kelli (38:11.919)
And some don't. I feel like Angie's husband's a good balance. He really doesn't get involved, but if he sees his wife getting pounded on by somebody else, especially somebody else's husband, he steps in.

We Wine Whenever (38:28.11)
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree.

Kelli (38:32.753)
but some husbands just, I'd like that, I don't know. Seth does too much, Justin does too much. Well, Seth is barely there, but I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (38:42.392)
Yeah, I mean, we don't see Seth that much at all. And John, John never, John just is a yes man.

Kelli (38:45.511)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:49.745)
John is a yes man. Yep, he most certainly is, which I don't think Lisa could be with any other type of man, quite honestly.

We Wine Whenever (38:51.172)
That's what John is, he's just a yes man.

We Wine Whenever (39:00.11)
You know who's a good balance? Happy Eddie.

Kelli (39:04.425)
By far one of my favorite house husbands. Happy Eddie.

We Wine Whenever (39:07.522)
Yeah, happy Eddie's a good balance, right?

Kelli (39:10.257)
Yeah, how funny was it when she said that, you know, certain things she does hurt, you know, the Nigerian community looks down on like, like selling the devil's lettuce. That was so funny.

We Wine Whenever (39:20.879)
yes, yes, I think that is so funny.

Kelli (39:26.471)
That was great. no, I love happy Eddie. I think he does a great job. Cause he'll, he'll defend his wife, but he's not here for the mess.

We Wine Whenever (39:37.465)
and she doesn't need defending, like, but she, you know, she can defend herself.

Kelli (39:39.345)
No.

Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:44.078)
We should check out her talk show. I think it's on YouTube.

Kelli (39:48.251)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:49.658)
because I don't think it went anyplace else. We should check it out. Yeah. I don't have anything else. Do you have anything else? Okay, until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Bye.

Kelli (39:52.006)
Yeah, I'll check it out.

Kelli (39:56.728)
No, no.

Kelli (40:02.897)
Bye.