RHOP-Mediation Madness: Custody, Citations, and Confessions

We Wine Whenever (00:00.821)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 9, Episode 9. And this one is Mediation Nation.

Kelli (00:03.328)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:13.451)
A lot of mediation going on.

We Wine Whenever (00:15.051)
Lot of mediation. So this one we pick up where we left off where Mia was saying the fathers of my children can get along. Okay. The way this played out, not what I was expecting.

Kelli (00:25.332)
Now we know.

No, not what anybody was expecting.

We Wine Whenever (00:31.895)
So Mia says she was married before. Two of her children are from Gordon, Juju and Jeremiah, and her older son Joshua is from a previous marriage. And they do a clip, and they do a clip of her saying that, I guess when she first came on, but nobody remembers that because we've not seen him since then. Right?

Kelli (00:42.003)
Right. That's what she was talking about.

Kelli (00:52.467)
No, we have not. We definitely have not seen that kid since first season. Probably that one scene.

We Wine Whenever (00:57.154)
And we, right. But then she says that, you know, Gordon spends time with him, obviously, if you know.

I don't know. Honestly, that totally turned me off.

Kelli (01:12.861)
She's just doing too much. She's doing way too much, man.

We Wine Whenever (01:14.603)
It just totally turned me off.

And then all of sudden Karen says, stop, why are we attacking Mia? Why is Karen all of a sudden sticking up for Mia?

Kelli (01:27.669)
I don't know, I found that interesting too. But at first I was like, God, Mia is making this birthday party all about herself. But I guess it really was Giselle who kind of was holding court and questioning Mia. Yeah, so I guess maybe Karen meant like, why are we all over here questioning Mia when it's Wendy's birthday and we should be over there watching her get her governor's citation, which I meant to look up what that is and I forgot.

We Wine Whenever (01:38.377)
It was. Yeah, no, it was. It definitely was.

We Wine Whenever (01:55.722)
Yeah. And then Jacqueline says, I can speak because I was there.

Kelli (02:01.707)
I'm so tired of Jaclyn. I can't, I cannot stand her. I can't stand her.

We Wine Whenever (02:03.967)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (02:10.998)
She's like that annoying little sister that doesn't go away.

Kelli (02:14.089)
Yes she is. She's like Cindy Brady.

We Wine Whenever (02:16.298)
Yes, yes. She said Gordon was okay for five minutes and he complained for 20 minutes. And I don't know if you, if you saw it, but when they were walking over to see, when do you get the citation from the governor? Mia said Mia was mad at Jacqueline. She's like, you don't have my back. Meanwhile, Jacqueline thought she did have her back.

Kelli (02:38.091)
How in the world is she saying that this girl doesn't have her back she is riding her back like nobody's business She's got your back. Trust me girl

We Wine Whenever (02:45.642)
Yeah, I know, I know. It did make...

I know. It made no sense. So then Wendy comes over and says she's getting a citation from the governor and they're all like, what? A citation is a bad thing. She's like, do you mean a proclamation? And she's like, no, I'm getting, and then Eddie walks over and says the same thing. So he's like, I don't know. We'll go find out. We'll go find out what it is. Like, let's go. And Stacy's like, how can she have four degrees and not know what a citation is?

Kelli (03:19.559)
Citation is not a good thing, I thought.

We Wine Whenever (03:22.837)
Well...

Kelli (03:24.405)
In this respect, is.

We Wine Whenever (03:25.536)
The governor couldn't be there. So there was a senior White House representative to present to Wendy the governor's citation. I still don't know what that is. As she's receiving the award, Ashley and Stacey are talking so loudly. I couldn't even hear it, to be honest with you.

Kelli (03:47.243)
I was so incredibly rude. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:49.799)
It was so rude. It really was. It really was.

Kelli (03:56.053)
total side conversation. You couldn't hear a damn thing that the woman was saying.

We Wine Whenever (03:56.072)
So.

We Wine Whenever (04:00.553)
Yeah. And it was about the mediation. wasn't even like it was something that they had to be having that conversation right then and there.

Kelli (04:07.241)
No, and then Ashley's like, are we? Are we being rude?

We Wine Whenever (04:10.472)
Yeah. Yes, yes you are, Ashley.

We Wine Whenever (04:17.866)
So then Ashley goes over and tells Giselle and Karen that Stacey's going to mediation on Monday and that they need to pull her aside because she's not prepared for what's going to happen. I actually did think that that was a good thing to be quite honest with you. Because I agree, Stacey does not have a clue what she's getting into. And Ashley appreciated them kind of guiding her.

Kelli (04:31.689)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (04:44.979)
Yeah. And again, like what we were saying the other night about Kyle and Maurizio, like, of course you want to trust them. But, you know, were you shocked when Wendy was like, yeah, I don't, you know, Eddie pays the bills. I don't, I was like, damn, I didn't expect that from her.

We Wine Whenever (04:52.434)
Right. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (05:04.744)
Yeah, I was shocked.

We Wine Whenever (05:10.504)
I know, I was very surprised too, four degrees.

Kelli (05:12.383)
I mean, I pay the bills, but Eric is well aware. Like Eric, like, you know, I pay the bills, but Eric knows more, you know, I guess we know the same, but he handles different things with our finances. But he knows what the bills are. acts like, the way he spends, he acts like he doesn't know what the bills are.

We Wine Whenever (05:35.455)
Well, I will be honest. mean, I do all the bill paying. Bill kind of knows what the bills are, but again, like Eric doesn't spend like he knows what the bills are and has no idea like where the accounts are, like what the account numbers are, like how to get online and to do it. he doesn't know the mechanics of it. You know, he knows we get an electric bill. He thinks he knows how much it is.

Kelli (05:47.787)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:56.007)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (06:04.744)
I pay it every month and I don't even know how much it is. To be quite honest with you. Yeah, it's too much and I generally do auto pay. And then I'll go check it and make sure it's right and you know, whatever.

Kelli (06:08.491)
too much.

Kelli (06:16.789)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (06:18.504)
So I would not leave that to, you know, not having any hands in that, not knowing how many accounts you have and what's in your name. And we're seeing that with these housewives, this is very common. I mean, it happens with Erica, it happened with Jen Pedranti. Like this is more common than it's not.

Kelli (06:30.385)
It is common.

Kelli (06:35.731)
Yeah, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (06:39.026)
So no, and I'm glad that Wendy was there for that conversation. Because I do think that she will do something about it.

Kelli (06:48.554)
Yeah, I do too.

We Wine Whenever (06:50.11)
Yeah. Gisele tells Stacey to write down before her mediation everything that she wants for herself and her child. In Stacey's confessionals, she says that, you know, hers divorce is different than Ashley's because hers is amicable. And she's listening to the advice, but she's really not sure that she needs it.

Kelli (07:14.517)
That is interesting though that it's amicable.

We Wine Whenever (07:17.992)
Yeah, it is, but I don't know if it's going to be after the mediation.

Kelli (07:21.619)
Yeah, like I'd like to, I wish we knew more about their marriage like prior to her joining the show, you know? But it's good that it's amicable for her daughter's sake.

We Wine Whenever (07:27.848)
Yeah. I did like, yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I liked that Wendy, we got to see Eddie's sisters and she was able to introduce her kids to their aunts and uncles. Like that was huge. That was huge. It really was.

Kelli (07:41.619)
Yes, that was a nice moment.

Kelli (07:46.889)
Yeah, that was really, that was a nice moment.

Yeah, hopefully they can move forward now.

We Wine Whenever (07:54.225)
I hope we will see more scenes with Eddie's family.

Kelli (07:58.089)
I guess Eddie's parents were not there, right? Yeah. No. So hopefully they move forward with the siblings and then maybe that'll soften the parents up.

We Wine Whenever (07:59.985)
I didn't see them. There was no mention of them.

We Wine Whenever (08:09.158)
Yeah. And then we see Giselle and Grace are talking about her first year in college. And I act.

Kelli (08:17.321)
Yeah, where's this ice cream place that you can get alcohol at? Yeah, let's go there. Yeah, we gotta take a trip.

We Wine Whenever (08:20.53)
I know, right? Guess it's somewhere in Potomac.

I really like the scene. I like seeing Gisele have real moments with her kids. And I think I've always thought that Gisele's girls are real with her and they call her out and they may say something that she doesn't want them to say, but they're going to say it anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Or that, you know, she was like overprotective of them or she wasn't present enough. You know, one of them at one point said that, you know, you really weren't

Kelli (08:27.925)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Kelli (08:35.806)
Yes.

Kelli (08:41.237)
like she can't cook.

We Wine Whenever (08:55.507)
You weren't present enough, you know? So she's talking to Grace about how she felt about her first year in college. Grace says that she shocked herself as to how well she did. then Giselle asked her, like, how do you think the girls are gonna do? How do you think Grace and Adore are gonna do? And she said, well, know, Angel and Adore. She said Adore is gonna have a hard time because she really, really leans on Angel.

Kelli (08:55.584)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:25.257)
Are they going to separate colleges, the twins? It sounds like it, right?

We Wine Whenever (09:29.385)
I don't know. It's hard to tell. So this is interesting. was, because they're twins, you my nieces are twins and they just went away to college and I saw them for Thanksgiving. And we had such a, you know, I had such a fun time catching up with them because they are so funny and they make me laugh. But they are twins that like to be with each other all the time. Like they share, like they go to the same school.

Kelli (09:43.806)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:48.841)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:59.143)
I said, do you take all the same, they pretty much take all the same classes, one or two classes. They're in the same dorm, they're in the same room. They're in the same room, they're in the same dorm. And next year they're getting a house off campus and it's gonna be five girls. And the two of them are gonna have the biggest room because they're gonna share a room and everyone else is gonna have their own room. But they like being together, like they like sharing a room.

Kelli (10:02.153)
Are they in the same dorm?

Kelli (10:06.841)
in the same room, okay.

Kelli (10:20.565)
Nice.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:24.486)
So then they have other friends who are twins that they played soccer with for a very long time, and they go to separate schools and they did not want to be together. And then they have other twins that are on their team with them. There's so many twins in this soccer world to be quite honest with you, because soccer is their thing, right? So there's other twins who are, like they play together, but they're not as, none of them are as close.

Kelli (10:43.881)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:52.57)
as my nieces, like Kylie and Sydney are very close. like to be together. They like to, you know, they kind of finish each other's sentences and they're just very close. And I wonder, it sounds like Grace and Adore are very close and I hope that they are going to the same school.

Kelli (10:56.085)
right.

Kelli (11:00.192)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:10.429)
I know, I was wondering that, because I didn't know if, I mean, obviously she's not going to say where they're going. Well, maybe she would, but I don't know if she has said yet or not.

We Wine Whenever (11:21.16)
She hasn't. And one of the things my sister-in-law, we were talking about this. when her kids were in school, when they were like in elementary school, they were together. And then they wanted them to split them up. So then they split them up and put them in separate classes. And they were sharing a room. But early on, they got their own room. And they...

think and my sister-in-law thinks, and I think it may be true too, that's why they're so close now because they didn't share a room. Because if they shared a room, like when they were sharing a room before they split them up, they would be fighting all the time, like fighting because they had no place else to go. They were in one room. Once they split them up and they each had their own room, they each had their own space and they would be together when they wanted to be together as opposed to being forced to be together.

Kelli (11:56.907)
They'd be sick of each other.

Kelli (12:04.032)
Right.

Kelli (12:11.082)
Right.

Kelli (12:16.415)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:16.632)
in the same room all the time. I mean, I don't know if that's true or not, but it's a working theory. It's a working theory.

Kelli (12:21.629)
No, it sounds like a good theory though, yeah. It does sound like a good theory.

We Wine Whenever (12:28.398)
I was also surprised about what Giselle shared about when her father had passed and she was trying to make a plane reservation and she just couldn't get it together and her daughters saw that she was struggling and they reached out to her ex-husband and he took care of everything and you know what, that's good. I think she raised great daughters. think that they're, yeah.

Kelli (12:51.527)
me too, me too. You could say a lot about Giselle, but she's a great mom and she's got good daughters. And that is a testament to her. Cause I mean, you know, I'm not saying anything negative about Jamal being a father, but he is in another state. She was basically a single mom.

We Wine Whenever (12:55.322)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

100%.

We Wine Whenever (13:09.423)
Right. Yes, yes. Then we see Ashley's talking to her boys in the kitchen. And this is just before she's getting ready to go to her mediation. in her confessionals, she says she has the boys now seven days a week. And then, you know, Michael can see them on the weekends. And that's one of the things she's really worried about and torn about that, you know, maybe it'll be a week or two that she won't see her boys. And I get that. I can't imagine.

having to share custody.

Kelli (13:39.113)
I remember my sister having such a hard time because her ex wanted 50 % custody because they lived in the same town, like a couple of blocks away from each other. I would have felt the same way. My kids drive me crazy, but I still want them in my house every night sleeping.

We Wine Whenever (13:49.286)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (13:57.134)
Right, right, exactly.

Kelli (13:59.807)
Yeah, that's hard.

We Wine Whenever (14:02.212)
Yeah. And she knows Michael's going to put up a fight because she knows who he is. I did think then the next thing we saw was Kiana shows up at Greg's office. His office is called Open Arms and he's had that for 10 years. We know that he's a social worker and his family's very supportive of him. His mom is there. And I just was the whole interaction.

Kelli (14:07.051)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:16.043)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:24.971)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:30.404)
with them was very strange to me. Like she felt out of place there. Like she didn't, like he was giving her a hard time. She has her own business. Like she has her own spa, but he expects her to work there. Like I don't, I just thought that whole thing was off.

Kelli (14:42.665)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (14:49.363)
I totally agree. Yeah. Like it's not like she's sitting at home watching soap operas. She's working too at her own business. But she said he still wants dinner on the table.

We Wine Whenever (14:55.585)
Right, right, right, right.

Right, and he thinks that she works for him, but she doesn't work for him.

We Wine Whenever (15:11.203)
And she said he's kind of like a caveman, which is caveman-like. I don't get why she's putting up with that, to be honest with you.

Kelli (15:12.043)
Thanks guys.

Yes, yes it is.

Kelli (15:19.743)
Mm-mm.

I don't know. I don't know. But at first I'm like, what lawsuit is she talking about? And then I remember. So she is suing Deborah for personal injury lawsuit.

We Wine Whenever (15:32.485)
Yes.

Kelli (15:36.689)
I don't know, but I'm assuming that, well, is he just her boyfriend? Okay. And he can't, I mean, I don't know what the rules are in Maryland, but he, was, when she said, you know, and Greg's worst fear was something happening to me. I thought, does he have a consortium suit? But I think you have to be a spouse to have that. I think you have to be married to have a consortium claim.

We Wine Whenever (15:42.915)
Yes, they're not, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:05.551)
Yeah. No, I do too. I just think it, I don't know. I thought the whole thing was weird. That whole interaction, the way his family was treating her, the way he was talking to her when she came into the office. I don't know. I actually have not seen a single interaction between those two that I thought wasn't off.

Kelli (16:09.865)
I don't think you could do that as a boyfriend.

Kelli (16:30.325)
Her and her and Greg, she and her boyfriend.

We Wine Whenever (16:31.811)
Yes. Yes. Yes. So I'm, don't know.

Kelli (16:35.411)
Maybe he's not comfortable on camera yet. Maybe, you know what I mean? Maybe he's not comfortable because this is all new. And then they come into his office and he's like, you know.

We Wine Whenever (16:43.265)
Maybe, but I...

We Wine Whenever (16:47.96)
Nah, maybe.

Kelli (16:49.961)
We'll see. I like him. I think he's a nice guy and I think what he's doing is great. So yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe he's just not, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:51.107)
Yeah, we will see.

We Wine Whenever (16:55.085)
I think his work is incredible what he's doing. 100%. Yeah. I just don't know if I like the way, I don't like the way he's treating Kiorna to be honest with you. That's what I don't like. I don't know though. It could be, it could be. Then we see Giselle, Ashley, Karen and Wendy and Stacey all meet up.

Kelli (17:04.171)
Right. Maybe he's just uncomfortable still. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:18.821)
Stacy kind of thanks them for the conversations that they had with her at the 40th birthday party. And they were helpful and she spoke to her attorney like they suggested before she went into mediation. But there were a lot of things that she didn't know about that she had old school traditional relationship and her husband handled everything.

Kelli (17:32.831)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (17:44.734)
No bueno.

We Wine Whenever (17:45.912)
Yep. Hadn't paid a bill in 15 years. Didn't know about this account. Yeah, right? Right? Like, and when you say things like that and she tells you she has this apartment.

Kelli (17:51.209)
Damn, that must be nice though.

Kelli (18:01.225)
Yeah, like who the fuck is paying for that?

We Wine Whenever (18:03.522)
Right. You're getting a pic.

Kelli (18:05.875)
Yeah, what the hell? wasn't even thinking about that. maybe TJ is paying for that. Maybe her best friend is paying for that.

We Wine Whenever (18:08.706)
Right, you're getting a paycheck.

I doubt it. I doubt it. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it.

Kelli (18:21.95)
Nah.

We Wine Whenever (18:22.735)
So like you said, Wendy admits that she doesn't know, but now she's going to kind of look into it, right?

Kelli (18:30.666)
Mm-hmm.

And Ashley says that Michael wants her to sign a confidentiality clause. We bet you do, Michael. We bet you do.

We Wine Whenever (18:39.906)
Yep. yeah. Yep. And she was there nine hours. Nine hours. That's a long time to get nowhere.

Kelli (18:47.21)
That's long.

Kelli (18:52.395)
That is a long time to get nowhere. Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (19:00.532)
I'm glad though that she has an attorney and I'm glad that she does, like Karen said, she does have some leverage there. You you want the children and you need to get the money that you need. So that's your leverage. You'll sign this confidentiality, but this is what it's going to cost.

Kelli (19:10.699)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (19:23.689)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (19:30.295)
You know, I was glad to see Karen's daughter Raven, but she was... I mean, she flew in and out the same day from New York?

Kelli (19:33.067)
Yeah!

Kelli (19:38.623)
Yeah, don't see her. We haven't seen her in quite some time.

We Wine Whenever (19:42.05)
No, and I get it. mean, I get it she's working in New York and she's living her best life, which I'm happy for, but I mean, could she have just FaceTimed? You know I'm saying?

Kelli (19:46.185)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (19:51.019)
Well, that's probably a very short flight though. Cause Patel makes what? Three, four hour drive from here?

We Wine Whenever (19:58.401)
Yeah, you're right. It probably is a short flight. Yeah. I mean, she could actually even take a train. You're right. Good point. Good point.

Kelli (20:01.043)
I mean, from New York to Boston's not a long flight.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:13.293)
then me and Jacqueline meet up at the store and Mia's taking Jacqueline shopping because she did.

Kelli (20:20.25)
because Mia is such a fashionista. She's going to share her fashion sense with Jacqueline. How lucky is Jacqueline?

We Wine Whenever (20:22.776)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (20:29.955)
thought that that was odd.

Kelli (20:32.337)
It's all odd with Mia. Everything about Mia is odd. It's all odd.

We Wine Whenever (20:36.963)
Yeah.

I agree. I totally agree.

Kelli (20:42.441)
She, I mean, I guess we're gonna see, I mean, you could tell she like, she's just doing too much. She's just doing too much, but we'll see.

We Wine Whenever (20:52.067)
We'll see. And then the next thing we see, really like that Ashley is at this organization called New Hope and they're doing this event called Over the Edge where she's raising money for the homeless population. And this is a foundation that is close to her heart because her and her mother were almost homeless at one point. If family didn't take them in, they would have been homeless. But to repel down a 14 story building,

Kelli (21:11.529)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:20.54)
I give her a lot of credit for that.

Kelli (21:22.911)
That was wild. I mean, I was holding my breath the whole time.

We Wine Whenever (21:24.492)
That was crazy. That was crazy.

Kelli (21:29.385)
That really was crazy.

We Wine Whenever (21:31.776)
Yeah, but good for her. You know what? That just goes to show you that she's fearless Ashley and she's going to get through this. She's going to be alright. Her and her boys are going to be fine. I think that she is. I really do. And I think she's grown a lot since we since we started seeing her.

Kelli (21:47.985)
I do too, I do too. And again, listen, I think with Robin gone, we are seeing better sides of Ashley and Giselle. They kind of, I mean, I know they're still a duo, but I feel like they're, you know, not as caddy maybe with Robin gone.

We Wine Whenever (21:59.116)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:06.537)
Right, right, no.

Kelli (22:08.137)
And I do think last season they both tried to help Robin out and be like, you gotta be honest about this one thing. And Robin just wouldn't do it. And that's what got our ass fired.

We Wine Whenever (22:16.171)
I don't think she could. I don't think Juan, you know, I don't think he would let her.

Kelli (22:23.371)
But what are you protecting? So let him go. I mean, he couldn't have been, he could not have been contributing financially with her. I'm sure she was foot in that hole, Bill. And is this what you want your boys to see growing up? Like why protect him? Tell him to get the F out. I don't know. You know what? It's easier said when you're not in the situation. It is.

We Wine Whenever (22:37.622)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:47.394)
That's true. That is true. It is. It is. So then we see Mia after Ashley's done repelling, because Mia's there too, she goes and confronts Gisele and says she was really bothered about what she shared with her at the GNA event, that you questioned me at Wendy's 40th birthday party when I was sharing something with you and then you questioned me.

first of all, this is not the place to be having this conversation either. And Mia is like, I don't tell your business, like when you were in the DR and your girls were sneaking in boys. Well, I think you are doing it right now. I think you're doing it right now. What do mean you don't tell her business?

Kelli (23:26.485)
That was low, down and dirty. You see Giselle's face?

Kelli (23:33.407)
That was low down and dirty, Maya. Did you see Giselle's face? You saw Giselle's face. She would have knocked her on her ass if she could have. That was terrible. That was really screwed up.

We Wine Whenever (23:38.976)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (23:43.819)
Yeah.

It really was. It really was. And what did she accomplish? She didn't accomplish anything.

Kelli (23:51.613)
No. okay. Well, we all have teenagers and they're all either sneaking out or sneaking somebody in. Wait until your kids are teenagers, Mia, after they're watching you get in bed with ink when daddy's down the hall. Just wait, just wait.

We Wine Whenever (24:01.601)
Yeah, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (24:06.827)
There you go. Yep.

Kelli (24:11.199)
That was terrible that she did that.

We Wine Whenever (24:13.513)
It was terrible. I agree with you. And you know what? think Giselle handled it well too. think she, you know, and Mia's ended it with, if you have questions for me, please just ask and, you know, don't put me on blast in front of all the ladies.

Kelli (24:27.295)
You're on a fucking ensemble show together, stop it. That's what they're supposed to do.

We Wine Whenever (24:29.567)
Right, right, like she thinks, yeah, she thinks that she is the queen bee.

Kelli (24:35.797)
She, I totally agree. She really, really does. Now, do you think that, it's interesting to me that we're just finding this out now about Giselle's daughters. Do you think Giselle asked the producers like, please don't put this in the show. Please don't make this a thing. Cause the producers had to know. She said it was on a ring camera. Unless they waited until after they took their mics off at the end of the night. And she told her, why the hell would you tell Mia? That girl is not trustworthy.

We Wine Whenever (25:05.546)
Well, I don't know if the producers did know, to be honest with you, because like you said, and she said it was when we were in the DR. So Giselle wasn't home and she was, guess, watching her own cameras. She's not doing that on camera, right?

Kelli (25:20.383)
Right.

Right, right. Weren't they just, is that where they just were for Wendy's, no, no, no, no. I'm thinking it's when they were just away together.

We Wine Whenever (25:25.514)
And again, and that.

We Wine Whenever (25:30.676)
No.

No, no, because I think I don't even remember when they were in the Dominican Republic. I may it may have even been two seasons ago. Like, I don't.

Kelli (25:37.149)
about last season.

Kelli (25:41.799)
Yeah, when they made that video, remember they made that, was that them? They made that TikTok or was it? Yeah, they made like a TikTok.

We Wine Whenever (25:49.268)
Well Ashley was, yeah Ashley was all into doing TikTok so it was probably them.

Kelli (25:52.107)
Yes, yes, yes. was Ashley who was starting it up. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (25:57.288)
Yeah, but that did not have to be brought up and it was nothing. Really, what she brought up was nothing.

Kelli (25:59.666)
No!

Kelli (26:04.305)
No! Like...

We've all been through it. I did it.

We Wine Whenever (26:10.088)
Right, and you're comparing that? Right. I'm sure she did it too.

Kelli (26:15.079)
Exactly. Sorry, mom, but I did. I'm pretty sure you knew too. You were just so damn tired. You're like, whatever, she'll get home safe.

We Wine Whenever (26:24.896)
Yeah, I don't know.

Kelli (26:31.205)
I'm not liking Mia at all this season. I never really loved her, but I don't like her now.

We Wine Whenever (26:37.097)
It's interesting because when the season started, remember you said, did you see who's in the center? And we were like, it's Mia. At first I said, I didn't even recognize her because I saw the blonde hair and I immediately, I first thought it was Karen. And then the blonde a lot. And then I looked, I was like, no, that's Mia. I don't think Mia, yeah, now we do know. Yeah, I don't like it.

Kelli (26:51.049)
Right, right, because she does the wear the blonde wigs,

Kelli (26:57.929)
Now, now we know.

She's reaching. Every now. I don't either. At all. I really don't.

We Wine Whenever (27:09.937)
Alright, I don't have anything else for Potomac, do you?

Kelli (27:12.681)
I'm now, now I don't even have, you know, I think we kind of covered all the side stuff too. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:14.697)
Okay.

All our gossip? Yeah, I think so too. I can't think of anything else.

Kelli (27:23.315)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (27:25.055)
Yeah, I can't think of anything.

Kelli (27:27.795)
I think Andy said that Atlanta is a great season. He always says this shit though. They're still taking a pause on Jersey. Southern Charms starting soon. I think it is this week.

We Wine Whenever (27:39.507)
I think this week.

I don't know when I'm gonna have time to watch it, but yeah, I think it's this week. I love Madison.

Kelli (27:44.957)
I don't mean neither. I think it's Thursday night when OC was on. Yeah, I mean, we'll talk about it here and there. I don't think we have to do a whole episode, right?

We Wine Whenever (27:50.747)
okay.

We Wine Whenever (27:54.683)
Yeah, we will. I don't think so. I love Madison. She reminds me of Jessica Simpson, like a young Jessica Simpson.

Kelli (28:04.127)
I'll be honest with you, I didn't like Madison at first, but I didn't like Madison before she was on the show. You only saw her as Austin's girlfriend and Patricia's hairdresser. And they kind of, you know, this is when people still liked Austin, quite honestly. And then after what he did to Ciara, forget it.

We Wine Whenever (28:25.307)
I never, well see I didn't watch it. I just started watching it last season and I, I never liked Austin because I only knew him from Summer House.

Kelli (28:33.639)
Yeah, before that, before that happened with Ciara, you liked Austin. And when he was dating Madison, you kind of thought Madison was a bitch. However, now looking back, she wasn't a bitch. She just wanted more of a commitment and for him to get off his ass and get a real job, you know, if he was going to be serious with her. Now looking back, you know what it was, but then what he did to Ciara and then who else he did? Olivia.

We Wine Whenever (28:52.615)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (29:01.256)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:02.559)
How are they bringing Taylor back and not Olivia? I don't understand this at all. And I don't think Leva's gonna be on it anymore either, but she's got Southern hospitality, which is coming back, I heard. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:14.29)
Yeah, I heard that is coming back. I'm curious to see what happens with JT and why JT leaves mid-season.

Kelli (29:21.031)
midseason. He is sitting on the couch talking to Vanita saying that he's attracted to her which I'm sad to see because I thought she was very happy with that guy Manny last season. So I guess she and he broke up.

We Wine Whenever (29:23.111)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:35.198)
I do think it has something to do with Vanita too.

Kelli (29:40.177)
Yeah, I think so too.

We Wine Whenever (29:41.971)
the reason that he left, I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait and see why.

Kelli (29:47.423)
He seems like a bit of a hopeless romantic and he also seems like he maybe got hurt in his divorce. And maybe he's not over it yet. So he's, you know, trying to find new love in all the wrong places, JT.

We Wine Whenever (29:54.685)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:05.222)
Yeah, I just always think it's interesting when somebody decides to leave. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (30:10.428)
midseason.

Kelli (30:15.067)
I don't really care for Rodrigo.

We Wine Whenever (30:19.263)
No, I don't either.

Kelli (30:20.971)
And I'll tell you why I thought he came really hard at Olivia at the reunion last year and I did not like that at all because Olivia did nothing wrong. Taylor was 100 % wrong.

We Wine Whenever (30:33.778)
Yeah, no, you're right.

Kelli (30:35.547)
So I don't know why he defended her and came at Olivia, but I'm not here for it, Rodrigo. And where's Rod? The nice guy always finishes last. They didn't bring him back. Yeah. Right. Olivia and Rod are both gone, but Olivia just got engaged, so she's fine.

We Wine Whenever (30:44.766)
Well, that's what happens, right? Isn't that what happens?

Yeah.

Kelli (30:54.453)
She'll be fine. And Shep is dating somebody he met. She's from the Bahamas or she lives in the Bahamas. And Madison thinks that she's just a big fangirl and wants to be on the show.

We Wine Whenever (30:56.135)
All right.

We Wine Whenever (31:06.941)
that's interesting.

Kelli (31:08.157)
Yeah, yeah, that's going to play out on the season.

We Wine Whenever (31:11.655)
I believe that because Shep is, you know, yes, yes, I think she's probably right. I think she's probably right.

Kelli (31:15.391)
gullible.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (31:24.019)
Yeah. Mostly. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (31:24.829)
All right, we're gonna have to wait and see. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Bye.

Kelli (31:31.093)
Bye.