RHONY-Brynn’s Truth, Jenna’s Closet, and Ubah’s Volcano

We Wine Whenever (00:01.034)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.412)
Callie.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.134)
We're talking about Real Housewives of New York, season 15, episode number 10. And this one is called Strictly Ballroom Affair. I guess because of the engagement party.

Kelli (00:19.474)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:21.838)
We start out at Sai townhouse in Brooklyn and she's showing her husband David her X-ray of her foot. And she's, yeah, she's got glass in her foot and it probably went all the way into her bone. She's not really sure. And this all happened because she was cleaning out her closet and she had all these glass bottles in a bag. And then the bag was going to fall out of the elevator. So she kicked the bag, I guess.

Kelli (00:29.833)
That was bad.

Kelli (00:50.889)
Yeah, like she karate kicked it and there was glass right there. She's lucky, man. That could have like cut an art, right? Like cut a vein. just the thought of that.

We Wine Whenever (01:00.139)
Well, actually, I mean, towards the end of the episode, she said that they're not sure, like, it could be close to the artery. And if she, like, slams on the brake while she's driving, like, it could hit an artery.

Kelli (01:13.397)
Ugh, I mean aren't they gonna take it out? Why didn't they take it out?

We Wine Whenever (01:18.093)
I know. I don't know. She's lucky. Yeah, it is scary. It is scary. Next we see the line of people waiting outside of Jenna Lyons' apartment for her sale.

Kelli (01:19.571)
That's scary.

Kelli (01:31.433)
You see who was there? Sunny from the view.

We Wine Whenever (01:34.187)
I did see that. I did see that. She said it started out as a stoop sale. I was like, what is a stoop sale? Is that like a garage sale? Is that what they call it in New York, a stoop sale? Yeah. But then.

Kelli (01:41.781)
It must be, right? It must be. That's funny.

We Wine Whenever (01:51.415)
Who is it? June Ambrose. She was the first person she ever saw to do like a personal, a sale of her personal closet. So she's like, well, maybe, you know, she's Jay-Z style. So maybe that's what she would do. And boy, did she do that. I mean, the stuff that she had was crazy.

Kelli (02:05.183)
Yeah.

Yeah, and she's basically doing it because Cass is moving in and she needs the room. So that's a nice reason.

We Wine Whenever (02:13.813)
It is a nice reason. I thought it was interesting though, one of the first people in shopping looked over and saw her just sitting there and she's like, and know, Jenna's like, what's your name? And you know, like she, you know, got up and hugged her and I thought, you know, she's so gracious. She's just very gracious. And even when she was trying to help that guy put back together that Met Gala string thing.

Kelli (02:27.955)
Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (02:39.306)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:39.57)
And he said to her, know, is this kind of sad for you? And she's like, it is a little emotional. And I think she was being real. know, these are the scenes I like is when people are real.

Kelli (02:49.47)
Yes.

Kelli (02:53.097)
Yeah, I think with Jenna, what you see is what you get primarily.

We Wine Whenever (02:58.196)
I do too. I don't think she's phony. really don't. And she did the $15 entry fee so that people weren't just standing in line to walk through her place, which I think is valid.

Kelli (03:00.583)
No. No.

Kelli (03:11.23)
Yeah, mean, $15 is not a lot of money, so I agree. I think that was a smart move.

We Wine Whenever (03:17.108)
Yes, I do too.

Then we see Raquel meets Aaron for lunch and she's not happy with, Raquel's not happy, and I don't think Aaron is either, about the way things left off with them at the park because Aaron felt like Raquel was like ambushing her. Raquel says that, you know, she wants to move forward with her, you know, she, and I, I'm glad that they did that. I'm glad that they had to sit down and that they're going to move forward.

I'm just still a little leery of Aaron to be quite honest with you. Like the more I see.

Kelli (03:56.767)
Well, like now she's admitting that she told Brandon it wasn't true. But at that lunch, she was like very, very committed to, no, I did not. Right?

We Wine Whenever (04:04.5)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (04:08.054)
Yeah. Yeah, she was. And I don't know if you saw on social media post, someone had posted a comment. I don't think we were talking about this specifically, but they referenced Erin doing the Glamour article about having an abortion. And they referenced that she's trying to change her image because she donated money to Trump.

Kelli (04:36.352)
I did not see that.

We Wine Whenever (04:37.843)
Yes. So they're equating that story as like a PR story.

Kelli (04:45.989)
I don't think so.

We Wine Whenever (04:47.698)
I don't think so either. I don't think so either.

Kelli (04:49.459)
And first of all, anybody who did donate money to Trump, you don't have to change your image. It's okay. And anybody who donated money to Harris, you don't have to change your image either. It's okay. You support whoever the fuck you want to support.

We Wine Whenever (04:53.256)
Right. Right.

Right. Right. It's okay. Right. That's what America's about. That's what America's about.

Kelli (05:05.353)
That's right. And I don't, I mean, listen, I'm not a huge Erin fan this season and I wasn't last season either. I don't think that story is a lie. I think that she did the story for the exact reason she said, because God forbid there's an 18 year old girl out there who doesn't think she has a choice. And that's incredibly sad. So we need to talk about it people. We need to talk about it.

We Wine Whenever (05:12.925)
now.

We Wine Whenever (05:28.639)
Yeah, I agree. I I agree. And I think that the fact that people are trying to equate it to politics is what is actually vile and disgusting, because that those are the words that the person used, vile and disgusting. No, what's vile and disgusting is that someone is sharing something that is important to them and that happened to them. And that's and you're you're equating it to politics like that's wrong.

Kelli (05:56.179)
Yeah. Yeah. That's not everything has to do with politics these days. Not everything. Like just people let it go.

We Wine Whenever (06:03.423)
Right, right. By the way, last time we commented that and that not everything has to do with politics, someone also commented about that saying that if they're taking away your reproductive rights, then it's more than just politics. And I'm just like, okay, can we just please? Can we just please? Exactly, exactly.

Kelli (06:24.415)
Listen, we want to talk about Bravo. This is what we want to talk about. Useless, mindless TV. This is what we want to do in our spare time, not discuss politics.

We Wine Whenever (06:31.466)
Yes. Yes. Yes. I agree. by the way, yes, we are precious. And someone keeps calling us hags. They keep calling us hags. And bitties, old bitties. They're calling us old bitties and hags. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know who's calling us these names, but...

Kelli (06:40.319)
But we are pro choice.

Kelli (06:52.629)
OLD!

We Wine Whenever (06:57.809)
Listen, sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me, okay?

Kelli (07:01.813)
That's right, that's right. Nanny Nanny. I think we look good.

We Wine Whenever (07:06.666)
I think it's funny. I think we look damn good.

Kelli (07:12.521)
Yeah, I don't have any makeup on, but wait until I put some on.

We Wine Whenever (07:16.434)
Yeah, there you go. I just have on a little lipstick. That's all, not much. There you go. by the way, I also wanted to tell you this. Remember, I don't know if we mentioned it on air, but someone commented that when we were talking about the settlement for Lisa Hoxtein, we said we didn't know about the alimony.

Kelli (07:18.559)
One day I might.

Kelli (07:24.853)
When we get out, I do it up.

Kelli (07:44.447)
Alamoni.

We Wine Whenever (07:45.65)
And they said that you should, you know, like check your facts if you're doing this for a living. And then I responded that, you know, we're actually, this is not, we have full-time jobs and families. And then they responded back. Did you see? They apologized. They apologized. They apologized. They apologized and said, I'm sorry. I thought you were some kind of influencer or something. I was like, influencer? We're two bros in the basement.

Kelli (07:49.125)
I did see that comment.

Kelli (08:02.718)
Why did that?

Kelli (08:09.941)
No.

Kelli (08:14.513)
Exactly. And sometimes there's three of us.

We Wine Whenever (08:16.457)
Exactly. There's two to three of us in the basement. This is who we are. Talking about Bravo. Exactly. Right. Right. And we do it. And we do it whenever. That's what we do. We drink. Right. Exactly.

Kelli (08:23.113)
We watch Bravo and we talk about people we don't know. This is what we do. And we drink wine. Tonight it's tea, but typically it's wine. One night it's gonna be espresso martinis.

We do it whenever, and we hope you do too.

Kelli (08:42.047)
This is not our main gig. It would be pretty fucking sweet if it were though.

We Wine Whenever (08:42.729)
No, this is not. Yes, this is actually volunteer at this point. Exactly. We really are. really are. I thought you'd get a kick out of that. No, that's actors. No, philanthropist.

Kelli (08:49.551)
Yes! Just another thing we volunteer to do. Add it to the list. We're very charitable people.

Thesbians if you will. no, that's actors or something. Yeah, sorry. We're not Thesbians. Yes, there you go. Thank you.

You would think I was drinking tonight, I'm not. That is funny though, and I appreciate the apology because yeah, we were.

We Wine Whenever (09:13.064)
I know, right?

We Wine Whenever (09:20.233)
do too! I was like, yeah, we work, yeah. It's good though, it's all good, listen.

Kelli (09:25.749)
But I understand what you're saying. Actually on two tees in a pot, think they actually, they had the same conversation you and I did. Like Tamara was saying something and Teddy was asking questions, but it was like similar to our conversation. And I think Tamara said that there was probably a prenup and she probably got a lump sum. And that's why there's no report on like a monthly alimony payment. She probably did get a lump sum. So listen, I hope she did because that guy is worth a lot of money. So.

We Wine Whenever (09:42.983)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:48.935)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:54.929)
Yes.

Kelli (09:55.413)
10, 15 grand a month is nothing to him.

We Wine Whenever (09:58.596)
No, exactly, exactly.

Kelli (10:00.565)
So I hope she got a lump sum for putting up with his bullshit for as long as she did.

We Wine Whenever (10:05.339)
I do too. I do too. Okay, so then what's next? So,

So then Raquel asks if, ask Erin if she's spoken to Uba yet and Uba and Erin says Uba has had this thing with her since last year that she keeps saying that she's gaslighting her.

Kelli (10:31.529)
I do agree that Uba is holding onto a grudge against Erin because she was the root of Brynn bringing up her boyfriend in Connecticut. Again, an off-screen conversation they had while out for drinks. I agree. I think that Uba is holding onto a grudge with that.

We Wine Whenever (10:53.98)
You do, huh? And I don't know what it is. I mean, there's definitely something there. I can't imagine that that's what it is though. I don't know though, maybe you're right. I don't know what it is because it just seems, it seems like it's too much for even if that's it.

Kelli (11:11.507)
I think that Psy has apologized and admit to being wrong in that moment. And Brynn probably in her own way has probably taken some accountability. Erin has not taken any accountability. I mean, we saw her even at the picnic. She's gonna deny, deny, deny, deny. And then she's with Raquel and she's like, well, I did tell her it wasn't true.

We Wine Whenever (11:35.961)
Right. Right.

Kelli (11:41.235)
You know, like there's just a lack of accountability there.

We Wine Whenever (11:44.934)
Yeah, I mean, you're right. You're absolutely right with that. And it does come up again even before this episode's over. we're gonna talk. I know, I know. That's exactly how I feel.

Kelli (11:52.725)
Why are we still talking about this?

It's amazing that they built an entire season around a prank and Andy Cohen is standing by his man. He's like, no, these are my girls. These are the New York girls. I mean, people are angry.

We Wine Whenever (12:10.267)
You know what's funny? I was listening to David Yontiff today and I haven't listened to him in a while and he was talking about New York, him and Sarah Frazier. And this is his take on it. First of all, he'll always have New York because that's his city. That's where he lives, right? He really does like this group of women. He already has all this invested in it. We're two seasons in, he's got to at least give it four to five seasons. You can't just cut and run.

Kelli (12:23.573)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:40.262)
You just have to give it time.

Kelli (12:43.263)
think four might be a lot. I think they give it one more season and see how it goes. Four is a lot. I mean, housewives don't even stay on four years.

We Wine Whenever (12:49.113)
Yeah, I could-

But you can't get rid of New York and you can't totally reboot again. So what are going to do? Right. So what are you going to do?

Kelli (12:57.353)
We can't reboot again.

You're right because think about the kid like who would you keep and who wouldn't you keep? It's literally like you keep all of them or you keep none of them because none of them really Stand out where it's like. she's the you know She's the middle person this season none of them really have that quality

We Wine Whenever (13:05.904)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:09.87)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:23.37)
No, no, listen, I think we just have to give it more time. And I do think that there are some scenes that are really good. do, like, you know, I do.

Kelli (13:24.202)
bright?

Kelli (13:32.913)
I think like you said, it's the producer's fault and they're focusing on the wrong stuff.

We Wine Whenever (13:37.253)
Yes, that's what I think too. I think maybe he needs to find a different production company.

Kelli (13:38.835)
Yeah. Yeah. Change, change the direction, change the direction of the housewives. You did it once, you know, and people loved it because then all of a sudden it was drama because it didn't start out like that. You know, we've said that a million times. And now I think people are tired of the, they're not tired of the drama. They're tired of the toxicity. So change the direction, change the direction of the drama. You can do it. You're smart people.

We Wine Whenever (13:44.58)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:53.252)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (14:06.235)
Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, I totally agree with that. I guess the next thing we see is Raquel's party. And she's there greeting her guests and she's telling us about her Aunt Diane and she's mentioned her Aunt Diane to us. You we already heard about her. I think it is, but she hasn't said, but again, we hear about, you know,

Kelli (14:26.963)
Is that her mom's sister, do we know? Like, do we know which side?

We Wine Whenever (14:35.386)
her mother not accepting it. invited her mom. Her mom made an excuse that she couldn't come. We're in episode 10 now. I think we've heard about her discourse with her mom in every single episode. I mean, it's not funny. It's really not funny, but it's like, tell me something I don't know.

Kelli (14:53.119)
Seriously.

Kelli (14:59.721)
And it's like, are they using the same confessional over and over again? That's what we have to start paying attention to. Is it the same clip of, like, is it not Raquel's fault? Like, is it that she said it once and production's using it 15 times? Because it could very well be. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:04.528)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:12.454)
Yeah, it could be. It could be. So we find out a little bit more about the theme to the dress of the party. So I guess they had different categories they could dress in, which I didn't realize when this first came out. So Raquel is dressed in the Give Me Grace Jones category. I know, which, okay.

Kelli (15:27.539)
Me neither.

Kelli (15:33.481)
And Erin thought she was talking about Grace Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (15:40.122)
I'll be honest with you. I was watching this with Matt when I started. Matt knew who Grace Jones was. I know. Yeah, of course I did. I'm just surprised. Right. How could Erin not? How could Erin not? Exactly. Yeah. Mel is dressed as executive realness. Okay. I don't know what that is.

Kelli (15:45.693)
I knew who Grace Jones was, did you? yeah. right, you're saying even Matt knew who Grace Jones was. I understand. And he's 17. Exactly, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (16:05.484)
Uba is dressed as glitterific category and I loved, it was so her, I loved her whole persona of Natalia, her Russian redhead bombshell. I love that. I love that. Jenna is dressed in opposites attract category and she looked amazing. Amazing. Now what do you think? Was her hair blonde or silver? Matt and I were arguing over that. I thought it was blonde.

Kelli (16:16.533)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:27.295)
She did look amazing.

Kelli (16:32.874)
I thought it was blonde.

We Wine Whenever (16:34.263)
I thought it was blonde too. It could have just been that it looked so light on her in her white dress. I don't know. I thought it was blonde. No, she didn't say. I think it was blonde though. And I liked that she said that she was going as Brynn and she absolutely, you know, because then when Brynn shows up, Brynn is glittery in like a very similar outfit. Right? It was absolutely hysterical, right?

Kelli (16:39.665)
Yeah. Did she say it was silver?

Kelli (16:49.461)
Yeah, okay.

Kelli (16:56.923)
Yes, which was funny. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:03.012)
Jessel comes as a Knight of a Thousand Madonnas. I thought she looked like Madonna, but Brynn gave her shade. I don't know why Brynn is so hard on Jessel.

Kelli (17:07.007)
Mm-hmm.

I did too.

Kelli (17:16.617)
think Brenda's hard on everybody. at what she's doing to Rebecca. And they were friends.

We Wine Whenever (17:22.86)
Yeah, and Rebecca were friends.

Kelli (17:25.351)
Yeah, she was clowning on Jessel, but Jessel hit the mark better than Bryn did. You had a, wore a shiny dress. That's all you did. I mean, I thought Jessel looked good. She could have used a blonde wig, but you know, she looked good.

We Wine Whenever (17:33.998)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (17:41.046)
I thought she looked good too. I thought she looked good. And I think Erin and Abe, like they killed it with the drag dressed as each other. I thought it was great.

Kelli (17:49.653)
I'll tell you what, Erin's makeup, whoever did her makeup really did make her look like Abe. Like, his facial features, yes. That was very impressive.

We Wine Whenever (17:56.644)
The eyebrows?

Yeah. Did you notice that Raquel was wearing the same heart jacket as Bronwyn that there's only supposed to be three of?

Kelli (18:16.041)
I was just gonna say it, that is in my notes. What is going on with the red heart jacket? She was totally wearing it.

We Wine Whenever (18:18.18)
I think

We Wine Whenever (18:24.996)
And it is the same production company, Salt Lake.

Kelli (18:28.997)
And we saw Brittany wearing it and somebody else was just wearing it.

We Wine Whenever (18:33.826)
Yes! And it wasn't Rihanna.

Kelli (18:36.627)
And it was not real.

Yeah, so somebody either busted it out of the museum, barred it from their bestie, Riri, or Bronwyn's a big fat liar, or their knockoffs.

We Wine Whenever (18:52.043)
Yeah, I mean...

Kelli (18:54.005)
Probably not.

We Wine Whenever (18:55.745)
I don't know. mean, whatever it is. I just thought that was hysterical. Like, what are the chances?

Kelli (18:59.146)
Yeah.

I mean, it was hysterical.

We Wine Whenever (19:07.94)
I didn't, did you, so when this first was happening, again, I was actually watching this part with Matt and good thing, Raquel is explaining to Jessel what a soft pack is. So it's a soft, soft flaccid penis that you tuck in. I was like, what? Matt's like, yeah, if you're trans, like, so you, was, okay.

Kelli (19:32.181)
So if you're a female dressing as a male, you would put that on. Give you a little bulge.

We Wine Whenever (19:36.509)
Right. Yes. Yes. And, right. And Jessel says, well, I have a poof, a foopa. Does that count? And I almost fell over. I was like, yes, I'm here for the foopa.

Kelli (19:44.851)
Me too. Cause so do I.

We Wine Whenever (19:54.371)
See

Kelli (19:54.933)
I don't want to be called old, you can call out my FUPA because it's there.

We Wine Whenever (19:58.9)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:02.249)
That was funny. I did not, I'll tell you what though, I did not know what the acronym stood for. I knew what it was, but when she said it, I was like, like, cause I don't use that word, the P word, but I was like, like I, you know, it hit.

We Wine Whenever (20:14.955)
No, it's pelvic. It's actually fat. It's pelvic. It's not the other P word. It's pelvic.

Kelli (20:17.397)
okay. I see. like that better. Okay. Good, good, good, good. That I can say. I'm not like a prude. Obviously I curse a lot. just, there's just certain words I don't use. That's one of them.

We Wine Whenever (20:30.517)
No, I don't use that word either.

And then the producers ask them in, I guess as a confessional, if they have a date yet for the wedding, because they're having the engagement party. And Mel calls Raquel a runaway bride because I guess, yeah, she can't pick a date, which is a little bit interesting. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (20:49.8)
Yeah, that was interesting.

Kelli (20:55.303)
Right. That is interesting.

We Wine Whenever (21:01.602)
Sai's not there because her foot, which we kind of understand, right? And Brynn says to Abe, like, what are you, Mrs. Doubtfire? Again, like, why? Like, why does she have to be so shady?

Kelli (21:05.609)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:16.903)
I don't know. There's something, she's just, she must not be a happy person. Right? I know she's trying to be funny. She's not.

We Wine Whenever (21:24.246)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:28.906)
Yeah, I think that when we see her later in the episode, maybe this is going to explain it.

Kelli (21:34.296)
Mm, that's true.

We Wine Whenever (21:36.158)
But Pavett comes as himself. He looks fine. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Listen, he showed up.

Kelli (21:41.365)
I was like, my god, what are you wearing? I thought he looked fine. Leave Bobbin alone. Let's leave him alone.

Exactly, exactly. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:53.087)
Right?

So then Jenna asks Erin why she thinks Uba's not hanging out with them. Well, Jenna knows how Uba feels about Erin, right? So why is she ruffling these feathers? Because I don't see Jenna as being that person until just now. don't see her. That's the first time I've seen her do something like that. I wouldn't expect that from her.

Kelli (22:18.847)
Just now. Now I know.

Kelli (22:24.467)
I I know, I agree.

We Wine Whenever (22:29.301)
So Erin says, you know, she's mad at me about the prank and,

Jenna says that, says to Uba, we are in trouble. Erin thinks you're coming for her. So after she has a conversation with Erin about why is Uba sitting there by herself.

Erin lets her know, she's mad me about the prank, she thinks I'm coming for her because when I said I have all these secrets about everybody, she went after her and she said, you know, don't have anything on me, right? And then Jenna goes over to Uba and repeats what Erin just said.

Kelli (23:13.651)
Yeah, Jenna was a little messy in this episode.

We Wine Whenever (23:16.161)
Yeah!

Kelli (23:18.449)
Uba thinks Erin's coming for her or Erin thinks Uba's coming for her? I forget.

We Wine Whenever (23:23.298)
Erin thinks Uber is coming for her.

Kelli (23:29.629)
I mean, listen, Uber is talking shit about Aaron.

We Wine Whenever (23:33.857)
She is.

Kelli (23:34.773)
You see her doing it. She's doing it with sigh. So, you know, when you're on an ensemble cast and somebody's talking shit behind your back, which they all do, it is kind of coming for somebody because you're trying to change the, you're trying to change the audience's perception of that person.

We Wine Whenever (23:36.555)
Cheers!

Kelli (23:54.777)
And we think as audience members, we think we have some say in what goes on the way we comment on social media. Who knows if it's true or not?

We Wine Whenever (24:03.307)
Right.

Right. Well, that is true. We, you know, we don't know.

Kelli (24:08.883)
So it's a form of coming at somebody.

We Wine Whenever (24:12.927)
Yeah, it is. But I think in this instance, Jenna was very messy on both sides. And I didn't see that coming from her. I really thought that she was not that person.

Kelli (24:19.047)
absolutely.

No.

Kelli (24:26.589)
Right. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah, we're all set, Jenna.

We Wine Whenever (24:27.294)
I hope I don't see it again. That's all I gotta say. I don't want to see that from her. Next thing we see is Bryn is at her apartment and she lets us know that she has a book deal with Simon and Schuster. It is a self-help book and a memoir and how to get people through things basically is what she says. And then she has this ghostwriter coming over to her house.

Kelli (24:44.617)
memoir.

Kelli (24:51.348)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:55.105)
and her name is Hannah, Hannah Hustig or whatever it was. I don't know how to pronounce it. She writes for Glamour Magazine and she actually wrote an article about Brynn. And when Brynn read the article, was a year prior, she thought that she actually saw herself the way Hannah saw her, which I thought was interesting. And I actually was gonna look up the Glamour article. I just didn't have a chance, because I would like to read it. I would like to read what she said about her. So they start talking about like what they wanna do.

Kelli (25:18.175)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:25.162)
for the book and Hannah says that she wants her to start out like telling her story in her own words for like each chapter, like record it and then she'll like elaborate on it and that they're shooting to have 12 chapters. And then she talks about also the runaway bride idea, cause Brynn had mentioned how she had been engaged, you know, several times and

Kelli (25:36.554)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:51.507)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:54.804)
The breakup with Gideon was really tough because I guess she was still in love with him, but she just realized that it wasn't gonna work. Right. I'm just curious about what her timing with him was. Like when was she with him? Like how many years ago? Because then we hear about her essay.

Kelli (26:04.383)
It's not what she wanted.

Kelli (26:21.365)
Excuse me. Now she said when she broke up with him, she went to Bali

We Wine Whenever (26:27.281)
Yes, her eat, pray, love journey.

Kelli (26:29.609)
And that's, and she went by herself. And is that where the essay happened?

We Wine Whenever (26:35.913)
So we don't know, I don't know that.

Kelli (26:37.053)
Okay, I didn't know if I missed something or if it wasn't clear. Listen, she clearly does not have to elaborate. I just didn't know if I missed something in what she was saying.

We Wine Whenever (26:43.432)
No.

I don't know, but it was also said that, and it was said, I believe by Hannah, it was her own me too. So that leads me to believe it was a workplace situation.

Kelli (27:00.085)
I missed that for sure.

We Wine Whenever (27:02.944)
when she said, too, yeah. And then she asked her like how she felt, like what were her emotions and she felt dumb, she felt embarrassed, she blamed herself. It should not have happened to her. And you can see she's very vulnerable and that's a horrible thing for anybody to go through.

to have anyone to share it with. And we find out a little bit further on in the conversation that the only person she's talked about it with is her brother. He's the only one who knows about it. And her grandmother, her Mimi, was still alive when this happened. although her Mimi has passed three years ago, this happened a year before her Mimi, so we know it was four years ago, right? Because that's when she...

Kelli (27:46.365)
sad.

We Wine Whenever (27:59.881)
feels like she lost her maybe when she, this happened to her and she couldn't talk to her about it. And that was heartbreaking. It was heartbreaking.

Kelli (28:05.546)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:12.436)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:13.309)
if you know, she feels like this, this whole event essay robbed her for many things. It robbed her for the time with her Mimi. It robbed her for having a boyfriend. It robbed her for possibly having children, getting married. It, you know, she is not healed. She's not healed from this. And you know, I think that

this is why we see her acting the way she's acting. And we've been saying this from the beginning, know, hurt people hurt people. And I just hope that she can get the help that she needs to not be so hurt, you know, because I do think that she, you know, I think she has a lot to offer. think she's, you know, she's, she's messy though, right now in the show, but

Kelli (28:51.219)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (29:02.366)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (29:12.349)
And it's not an excuse. I'm not saying that's an excuse for her behavior, but it does kind of explain it because she doesn't want to get close to people because she doesn't want to get a boyfriend because she feels like if she gets a boyfriend, she has to tell the secret, right? Right.

Kelli (29:12.447)
She is.

Kelli (29:16.596)
Right.

Kelli (29:32.915)
Yeah, because when something like that happens to you, it changes your outlook on intimacy as a whole. So the next person you try to be intimate with, it's gonna be different than how you were prior to that traumatic experience. So yeah, you're gonna feel like you need to explain because you're gonna need them to be patient with you, I'm sure.

We Wine Whenever (29:41.626)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (29:51.742)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (29:57.656)
Right. And I think that this may be why this group of friends, she doesn't want to get too close to them and she wants to keep everything kind of light and fun because she doesn't want them to see or be vulnerable with them about what really happened to her. Do you know what I'm saying? I don't feel like she is in a place where

Kelli (30:19.305)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:23.346)
She's okay with it for herself and I don't think she wants to get close to anybody. Not even a boyfriend, just I don't think she really wants to get on a real level with other people at this point. And I think that's sad because, know, she's, think she could be a great person. I think she could be a great friend to these women if she can just get, get through this, you know, get through this with therapy, because that's really what's going to do it, you know?

Kelli (30:33.599)
Right.

Kelli (30:47.039)
Right.

Kelli (30:50.933)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:52.369)
I mean, even her brother says like, there's no playbook to talk, you know, to talk to somebody about this.

It's, it's on charter territory, right? And I hope that he is encouraging her to go to therapy about it, or I hope that she is seeking therapy because if not, I think it's going to be difficult for her to get past it. And now she feels like as she's getting older, that she's on a time crunch because if she does want to get married and she does want to have children,

Kelli (31:00.724)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:17.439)
for sure.

Kelli (31:28.371)
Yeah, like everything's piling up.

We Wine Whenever (31:30.245)
Right, right. So that whole scene, I really felt bad for her and I saw...

Kelli (31:36.019)
Yeah, I did not like again. I didn't see that coming

We Wine Whenever (31:39.19)
No, I didn't see that coming. And again, not that I like to see this scene, but at least I got to see a real Brynn.

Kelli (31:47.475)
Right, right, because I, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:49.324)
And it does now make some of the other things that she's done make sense a little bit more. And, know, like now we know, you know, we know how hard she had it growing up, right? She didn't have it easy. She was very close with her Mimi, you know, her mother really wasn't around for her. And then when she's out working and

Kelli (31:58.771)
Yeah. Yes.

Kelli (32:07.22)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:18.32)
doing it on her own, this happens to her. So it's like, that's a lot. That's a lot.

Kelli (32:21.93)
Right.

Kelli (32:25.577)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:28.476)
then after that we see, we're back at size house in Brooklyn and Raquel and Uber come over and you get to see her backyard. I'm glad we got to see her backyard. know we did in the, I knew we saw it like briefly in the first when, yeah, I mean, we're only on the second season of them, but I like to see her backyard because honestly, it's not a thing we see in New York and she's one of the lucky ones that has one.

Kelli (32:28.778)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:41.877)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:45.493)
First season. Yeah.

Kelli (32:55.445)
Yeah. Yeah. Brooklyn does look like a cool place to live, you Like not the hustle bustle of the city, but it's still like a happening place, but you have that. a, like a, you know, nice house, obviously. And then, you know, backyard.

We Wine Whenever (33:01.754)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:08.72)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (33:13.21)
Yes. So they're talking again about

Raquel's mom.

Kelli (33:25.905)
my god.

We Wine Whenever (33:26.78)
and how Mel suggested that maybe she go to Puerto Rico and visit her.

Kelli (33:32.138)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:33.634)
And Sai's like, well, I would like to go. And then now we have a girls trip to Puerto Rico.

Kelli (33:36.147)
Uh-huh.

Yes, we do. Because I didn't realize Sai and Raquel were both Puerto Rican. So I wonder if Sai didn't say she has family there though, right?

We Wine Whenever (33:48.38)
She did not say she has family there, but I did know that she was Puerto Rican. But she, yeah. Yeah, so that's good. I'm glad that we're gonna see them go to Puerto Rico. And I think we are gonna see Raquel see her mom. I hope that goes well. Uba says that Brynn came up to me and said, Erin thinks you're going after her. So now Jenna told her that and Brynn told her that.

Kelli (33:59.145)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:18.831)
Right? And Uwe doesn't understand why Erin says to others that I'm coming for her when we talk all the time and she never mentioned it to me.

Kelli (34:19.732)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:28.073)
That is very, like when Uba said, I talk to her every day, I'm like, what? Right?

We Wine Whenever (34:33.315)
Right. Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

Kelli (34:36.405)
It doesn't make sense. If you're talking to somebody every day and you're feeling a certain way about them, why wouldn't you say, this is how I feel, is this what's going on?

We Wine Whenever (34:50.659)
I know. This is what gets me crazy about this.

Kelli (34:54.633)
Yeah, like this is what's making it a bad show. This is what's making it a bad show.

We Wine Whenever (34:57.754)
Right.

Right, then, so, Sai is there part of this conversation too. And then Sai's like, well, I understand where U was coming from, right? But in the meantime, over at City Meals, Brynn and Aaron are talking about the same situation.

Kelli (35:13.577)
Right, and Brynn's not helping the situation at all. She's lighting a fire.

We Wine Whenever (35:16.962)
No!

No, she's not helping it and you know both Uba and Erin both say well I can't talk to the other one because nothing's gonna come of it. It's not gonna...

Kelli (35:27.733)
They both said the same thing. Uba and Erin both said, no, I'm not gonna talk to her about it. So we're gonna talk every day and we're gonna talk about everything else except what we're talking to every other castmate about and making it a storyline. This is what's making it a bad show.

We Wine Whenever (35:29.946)
Right.

No. Right.

We Wine Whenever (35:40.558)
Right.

Right, exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (35:47.955)
Like the old New York would have called them out on their shit. Bethany would have been like, listen, I feel like you are blah, blah, blah, And Ramona would have, you know.

throwing her hands up in the air and...

We Wine Whenever (36:05.198)
It would have been turtle time. But this is what's getting me crazy about the show is that this is happening and this is the kind of stuff where you kind of have to stop and go back and forth. Wait, wait, you're both saying the same thing, but not to each other and not in the same group.

Kelli (36:21.653)
Right, right. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. But I guess Puerto Rico is where Uba and Brynn possibly go at it. Because what episode, did you say this was the 10th episode?

We Wine Whenever (36:35.202)
Yes.

Kelli (36:37.109)
It's been 10 episodes of this already.

We Wine Whenever (36:39.247)
Yes, yes. So like I said, at the same time, Brynn and Erin are at City Meals and they're like Meals on Wheels. They provide meals to 60,000 at-risk seniors in the area, which is awesome. And Brynn posted it on social media and Erin is the only one of the girls that reached out to her and said, I'll go do this with you, which I think is awesome.

Kelli (36:55.135)
That's amazing.

Kelli (37:03.483)
is that what she said? She put it out to everyone and only Erin responded?

We Wine Whenever (37:07.598)
Well, she put it on Instagram. So she put it out to the world. It wasn't a group text. She put it on Instagram that she was, yeah, and Erin is the only one who saw it and said, well, you know, I'll come do that with you, which is great. I mean, she didn't ask anybody to do it with her.

Kelli (37:09.951)
okay. It wasn't like a group text with the girls.

Okay.

Kelli (37:21.354)
Right.

Kelli (37:24.99)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (37:29.114)
And then I just said, they're having the exact same conversation. We don't go anywhere with it. And that's basically where it ends. Brynn says that she feels it's too bad that she has to tiptoe around Uba. And Brynn says we have two active volcanoes, one is Sai and the other is Uba.

Kelli (37:37.299)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:51.664)
Why is she saying that about Sigh?

We Wine Whenever (37:53.668)
Cause she's not getting along with Cy either. Cause Cy is kind of seeing what Brynn is doing.

Kelli (38:01.511)
Yeah, and it's funny that Brynn's saying that Sai is a volcano because Sai has been nothing but calm and peaceful this season.

We Wine Whenever (38:09.698)
Well, no, because at the party, at Bryn's party, Bryn wound up leaving because of Sai.

Kelli (38:15.573)
she said, not today, Satan. But it hasn't been like that since.

We Wine Whenever (38:17.454)
Yeah.

No, no, it hasn't. But I don't think that they've really

Kelli (38:24.723)
Yeah, they never kind of came back from that. They tried in the Hamptons, but it didn't really work.

We Wine Whenever (38:29.185)
Right, right, right.

Kelli (38:34.173)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:34.329)
Yeah, so that, you know, we're not really going to get a resolution. don't think until Erin, Brint also says that Uber told her that she thinks Erin is like a spoiled brat. Like that's what her problem is with Erin.

Kelli (38:51.993)
I mean, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck. And we know Uba's story. Like she came from, you know, she didn't come from a lot, right? And yeah, Erin grew up in Manhattan and, you know, ran in a circle, I guess. A certain circle, so. I don't know, I don't think Uba's way off with that one.

We Wine Whenever (38:56.866)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (39:12.877)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (39:20.567)
No, I just wish that the-

Kelli (39:21.333)
And I'm not taking away the fact that Erin, I'm sure, is a very hard worker at whatever she does. She does real estate, right?

We Wine Whenever (39:27.959)
Yes, she does real estate. Yeah.

Kelli (39:29.525)
I'm sure she works very hard, but she also had, you know, the networking coming up and.

So I get that.

We Wine Whenever (39:40.641)
No, I do too. I do too. And then we go to watch What Happens Live. And we have Cathy Hilton and Brynn Whitfield on this episode. By the way, Cathy was sitting in the first seat. Okay. I wanted to mention that I loved Brynn's hair. She had it cut short. I don't know if you saw her. She had it cut short and she looked really good. I thought she looked really good.

Kelli (39:48.053)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (39:53.766)
I did notice that.

Kelli (40:03.261)
I didn't have to look it up though.

Kelli (40:09.834)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:10.489)
Andy, as soon as he introduces them, immediately thanks Brynn for sharing her story, which I thought was nice. Then Andy's question was, whose side are you on, Aaron or UBA's? What do you think? You think UBA took it? 84 % of the people were on Aaron's side. 16 % were on UBA's. Yep.

Kelli (40:18.397)
Very nice.

Kelli (40:26.045)
Uber.

Kelli (40:34.377)
What?

Kelli (40:37.887)
You're 84?

We Wine Whenever (40:40.173)
Yep.

Kelli (40:42.45)
Erin's side, huh?

We Wine Whenever (40:43.747)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (40:46.099)
I wonder why?

We Wine Whenever (40:47.703)
I don't know.

Kelli (40:49.575)
I'm on Uber-side.

We Wine Whenever (40:51.993)
Honestly.

Kelli (40:54.005)
even know if I'm on a side. The whole thing is stupid.

We Wine Whenever (40:55.865)
Well, that's the whole thing. That's what I was just going to say. I don't think that there's a side to be on. was surprised. I was surprised that it went so like, how did they even come up? Yeah. I think it's stupid. Both sides. I don't think I would say if anything, I'd say 50 50 like they're both stupid.

Kelli (41:03.918)
One-sided.

Kelli (41:08.563)
Yes, I agree, I agree.

Right. And the fact that they talk to each other every day and aren't talking about it makes it even more stupid. Huh.

We Wine Whenever (41:18.209)
Right. The next question was, whose ball look was your favorite? And out of all of them, Jenna's won by 71%. Rae Jessel's Madonna look on a scale of one to 10.

Kelli (41:29.374)
I believe that.

We Wine Whenever (41:37.954)
She got a four.

Kelli (41:40.363)
I think that's harsh.

We Wine Whenever (41:42.847)
I know.

Kelli (41:45.097)
think she could have gotten a solid seven people.

We Wine Whenever (41:48.29)
I do too. I do too. Would you buy Jenna's used clothes?

Kelli (41:50.069)
on.

Kelli (41:55.303)
if I could fit into them, but I cannot.

We Wine Whenever (41:57.784)
81 % said yes. Andy said he would buy them as well. I mean, I would go there. There's got to be something I could.

Kelli (41:59.837)
Absolutely. Couldn't get one fucking leg in them, but.

yeah.

Kelli (42:09.959)
Even if you can't fit into it, it's just something to have. Exactly. I'm curious, did Brynn answer the question, whose side are you on, Uber or Aaron?

We Wine Whenever (42:12.724)
It's Jenna Effin Lyons. Just to hang it up.

We Wine Whenever (42:20.728)
I think she did and she definitely said Erin. She said Erin because we know she's not talking to Uba.

Kelli (42:24.175)
Aaron. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, right. Well, right, right. What am I thinking? Yeah, that's a dumb question, actually.

We Wine Whenever (42:30.488)
And then the next question was, Brynn and Gideon end game? Yes or no? Yes, got it by 56%. Yeah, and Brynn said that she's not sure herself. that was, you right. So then,

Kelli (42:43.935)
That's a good question.

Ooh, kinda close. Split down the middle.

Kelli (42:56.367)
there's a chance.

We Wine Whenever (43:05.035)
I don't know what the question was, then I have, Brynn says she is the scapegoat this season. She's calling herself the scapegoat.

Kelli (43:12.549)
no no, stop it. She's not the scapegoat, she's the pot-ster. She has carpal tunnel syndrome.

We Wine Whenever (43:15.958)
No.

Right, exactly. Andy asks her about the eggs and what's going on with that. She says the eggs and the discussions are on ice. then, then the next thing she says didn't make any sense to me. She said, well, Gideon works at the agency with Moe. And Andy was like, okay. And she's like, and they're all over the place. Like meaning that they're all out partying all the time. What does that have to do with

Kelli (43:30.643)
We Wine Whenever (43:49.438)
The eggs.

Kelli (43:50.611)
Yeah, you're not marrying him. You wanted to have a baby with him because you think that he'd be a good person to co-parent with because you want most of the control, right? Isn't that kind of what she said?

We Wine Whenever (43:52.765)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (44:00.842)
I thought so. thought so. I just thought that that was interesting. I thought that was an interesting...

Kelli (44:03.945)
That is interesting. And I think it's interesting that he works at the agency with Mo.

We Wine Whenever (44:08.054)
Well, remember I found that out? Well, you got to sell real estate and you got to be really good at it.

Kelli (44:09.097)
fucking work at the agency with Moe. Gotta get that real estate license. I gotta pass that class first.

We Wine Whenever (44:17.492)
Yeah, you and me both.

Kelli (44:20.533)
We should try it again.

We Wine Whenever (44:21.83)
Yeah, no, I don't have time. We don't have time! How the hell are we gonna do that? We don't have time to do this!

Kelli (44:23.953)
I know we really don't have time. We really don't have time.

I know. I know.

We Wine Whenever (44:32.822)
That's all I have for this. Do you have anything else?

Kelli (44:38.533)
No, no, I'm trying to think if I heard anything or read anything this week. I mean, other than the Margaret and Dorinda argument on Jeff Lewis, which I don't know. Listen, I know people don't like Margaret, but come on, that was not Margaret's fault.

We Wine Whenever (44:54.47)
wait, wait, I got something on that. So Margaret talked about that on Melissa's show.

Kelli (44:59.207)
Okay, okay, so I haven't finished it yet.

We Wine Whenever (45:01.342)
Yes, so I'm going to tell you. So Margaret said that it was just, it was just them bickering. It was just them bickering. That is not why they canceled the show. had nothing to do with that. There's, was, it was only a single show. It's not like they canceled the tour. And Margaret also went on to say that she had the same procedure done that Tamra had done that the laser thing. Okay. And she had it done by Dr. Karolak and she was raving about him.

Kelli (45:22.89)
I heard that part.

Right. Who's in Walltown, New Jersey.

We Wine Whenever (45:28.742)
Melissa's having Dr. Karolak on, I think next episode. And he's going to talk about all the procedures he's done. He's done Dolores, he's done Joe Benigno's eyes. He's done Margaret, she's Marge senior, Damon, all these people. Paulie, yep.

Kelli (45:40.138)
WALL-E.

We Wine Whenever (45:44.438)
She just, I mean, even when she was, I didn't see her, I was listening to it, but even when she was doing the podcast today, her face is still all red. It's pink. So it takes, she didn't even leave her house for two weeks. I think it had something to do with that. I really do. was one show. They're still friends. They still talk to each other. She's talked to her since then. I mean, it wasn't that big of a deal.

Kelli (46:09.717)
Okay.

Kelli (46:14.847)
I just think that Dorinda, talk about somebody who can fly off the handle and never admit they're wrong. Dorinda can never admit she's wrong.

We Wine Whenever (46:26.164)
think that if you're friends with somebody, and I do think that they are friends, I do think that Margaret and Dorinda are friends, because even Melissa said, I'm glad that you guys are still friends, because I like you both. And I don't want to have like, you know, you know what I mean? I think if you're friends with somebody, you can disagree on things, and you can get snippy with each other. And then you could say, this is stupid and move on and not have to agree with it.

Kelli (46:31.432)
I do, yeah.

Kelli (46:37.075)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (46:49.757)
Right. Yeah, I agree with that too. I just think that Dorinda, mean, the way she was like, don't talk for me. Don't, like, it was like, all right, like, relax. You know? She just needs to fucking relax. Maybe she does belong on Jersey. People have said it. Maybe she does.

We Wine Whenever (47:03.965)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (47:11.209)
hahahahah

No. Yeah. It was only one show.

Kelli (47:15.785)
Well, I'm glad that they're okay. So it was only one show that they had to cancel and maybe it had more to do with Margaret's face than anything else.

We Wine Whenever (47:23.861)
And something that Dorinda had going on too. So Dorinda's up in the Catskills for the holidays. I guess she won't, yeah, the Berkshires. That's what I, I don't know why said the Catskills, the Berkshires, whatever. Yeah. So she's up there for the holidays. Margaret was talking about, what else was she talking about? I told you about her, Marge senior, new Bozema from PepsiCo. Yeah.

Kelli (47:30.162)
Berkshires, yeah.

I know, we all know we may.

Kelli (47:48.629)
That's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (47:53.285)
The thing is when I listen to these podcasts, I really get a lot of information. But the problem is I have to try and store it in my brain because I can't write anything down because I'm driving. And I try and recall what I heard. And you'll say one thing and it'll be like, yeah, yeah, that's what it was. But right now I can't think of it. for now, that's what you're getting. Please give us five star reviews and check out our new website, wewinewhenever.com.

Kelli (47:57.002)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (48:01.437)
No, I know, I know. It's so true.

Kelli (48:13.319)
Right. Yeah, that's it, people.

Kelli (48:23.413)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (48:23.678)
Bye.