RHOC Reunion Part 3 & RHOP -Court, Baby Daddy & 40th Birthday

We Wine Whenever (00:01.229)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We're talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 18. It is reunion part three. Thank goodness we are done. We made it. We did make it through. We did. Yep. We start out with Andy asking Shannon, how does she think Alexis was being coached by John?

Kelli (00:03.726)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:14.693)
Thank God. Yep, we got through it. We made it through. Whew, it a tough road, man.

We Wine Whenever (00:31.36)
She said,

Shannon then asked Gina because she said that John had never been nice to her before. The only thing Shannon said negative about John is that I paid for everything in the beginning. And then Alexis goes in and starts talking about we did forensic accounting. I mean, are you kidding me? You didn't do forensic accounting.

Kelli (00:51.235)
Yeah, and you know, the thing is, that she's got nothing to do with it, Alexis. Like, you're not his wife. You know, you're nothing in this equation. Anything that's going on is between Shannon and John. And quite honestly, Bravo's kind of fucked up for putting him in these interviews on, so Shannon can see. And allowing Alexis to go on and on about something she's not even part of.

We Wine Whenever (01:03.116)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (01:19.113)
Right, exactly. She's not part of it.

Kelli (01:20.347)
So like shame on Bravo for letting her get away with all this.

We Wine Whenever (01:23.277)
I agree. I totally agree. Like she should not have been. I think it came out officially that she is not coming back. That Bravo's not asking her back. I don't know.

Kelli (01:30.978)
good.

Kelli (01:34.649)
I mean you see her saying the producers made her out to be the villain. I mean they didn't have to work too hard. You and Tammer did it all on your own.

We Wine Whenever (01:40.043)
No, she's... No. No, exactly. Exactly.

So then Alexis is yelling that you offered a payment. that's just she, you know, they're like, well, she offered to pay, you she offered to pay for everything, you know, and Alexis is like, well, you offered a payment plan. OK. And then they all start yelling, well, loans are made in payment plans. It just honestly, that whole conversation was just messy because Alexis was was there on like a 10 and then everyone else was jumping in.

Kelli (02:05.475)
Right, right.

Kelli (02:14.02)
Yes.

Yes.

We Wine Whenever (02:17.012)
and you really couldn't even hear what was being said. was just ridiculous, to be honest with you.

Kelli (02:22.831)
Yes, I totally agree. Did you see Shannon's face when they showed the picture of Alexis announcing the engagement and there was a bowl of lemons in the background? Did you see Shannon's face? She was like stunned, stunned. And you cannot tell me that Alexis didn't know what she was doing by doing that. Or John.

We Wine Whenever (02:34.218)
Yes. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:44.32)
Well, well, I mean, listen, Andy is the one who asked the question. I mean, how shady was that?

We Wine Whenever (02:54.334)
It's just stupid. And Alexis is like, what? and he was wearing Ferragamos.

I'm like, okay.

Kelli (03:03.723)
and she's like, and by the way, Heather, they were not on sale. And that was kind of douchey that Heather said that anyway. they're not that bad. $400, that's not that bad. Shut up, Heather. Most of us are not spending $400 on a pair of shoes. Eric has those shoes and his sister got them for him and she did not spend $400 on

We Wine Whenever (03:06.538)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (03:19.2)
Right.

Kelli (03:28.827)
she got a major discount.

We Wine Whenever (03:34.685)
Then Andy asks Heather, you know, does Heather agree that, you know, keeps saying that he didn't want to be in the spotlight when he was with Shannon and Heather said no, John does want to be in the spotlight. I mean, it's obvious.

Kelli (03:48.603)
And Alexis is like, well, he really doesn't, but okay. It's very obvious what he's doing. Listen, I hope she's not asked back for more reasons than one, but we'll see what happens to their relationship if she's really not asked back.

We Wine Whenever (03:51.572)
Yeah, right.

We Wine Whenever (04:03.581)
Right. Right. I mean, and then it was weird because then John says it and Alexis says that he was single for a year when he met Alexis. And that's when Heather, like, I mean, Shannon's face was like, what?

Kelli (04:05.435)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:19.397)
So she said they broke up after November. When is BravoCon? Because they started dating right after BravoCon. Isn't BravoCon like January, February?

We Wine Whenever (04:29.544)
No, this last Bravacon was in November.

We Wine Whenever (04:37.407)
The one in Vegas was in November.

Kelli (04:37.634)
I thought-

I thought they started dating around after the one where Raquel and Tom.

where Raquel was wearing the sweatshirt and everybody thought it was for Tom Schwartz and he was like, trust me, it's not, it's for somebody else. And I thought that one was in January. And I'm only thinking that because I'm thinking of the timeline of Scandival.

We Wine Whenever (05:06.667)
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I can't completely remember. But I mean, even she said that. I mean, he picked her up from the hospital and he was with her 10 days after the accident. And that was after the reunion. So they were together. They were together then they were together then.

Kelli (05:11.054)
Right.

Kelli (05:26.714)
Right.

Kelli (05:30.393)
Right.

Kelli (05:34.287)
whether BravoCon was in November or January or February, it's still not a year. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:39.205)
Right, exactly, exactly. It's still not a year. you know, she said they broke up the day after Thanksgiving and then Shannon said, no, but we were together for the family feud and Tamar confirmed it. Tamar was like, yes, and he picked you up from the hospital and then he was with you for 10 days after. And then, so she's like, well, did he ask you to be his girlfriend again? And they're like, wait, what are we in high school?

Kelli (06:04.499)
my God, like seriously. Did you notice how Tamra changed her tune with Shannon after Alexis came out? Here's what I think happened. I'm gonna be honest with you. I think Tamra really thought that Shannon wasn't gonna come back to the show after her DUI. I think Tamra thought something was gonna happen to Shannon, either they were gonna fire her or she wasn't gonna come back. and then she figured, know, probably somebody put a

bird in her ear that Alexis was coming back, is why else would, why would Alexis be at BravoCon if she wasn't in talks to come back? So I think Alexis, the John thing aside, I think Tamara and Alexis, like, I think Tamara sought out Alexis to bury the beef with her at BravoCon, thinking maybe Shannon's not coming back, but Alexis is, so let me get an ally here. But now, sitting on that couch.

We Wine Whenever (06:57.022)
Well, Andy is the one who got Alexis and Tamar together at BravoCon.

Kelli (07:04.941)
Right, so Andy probably said to Tamra, she's coming back. You might want to bury this.

We Wine Whenever (07:13.352)
I mean, that's

Kelli (07:13.729)
And now, sitting on that couch, Tamara is seeing that Alexis is just off her rocker and not coming back, so she changes her tune with Shannon. She's very, you know, calculated, to say the least.

We Wine Whenever (07:27.933)
Either that or she could have got all the backlash from all the viewers because she is not liked. And she's like, I better, know, okay, I'm gonna go to therapy. Maybe I better, you know, stop backing this, you know, nut job. Right. And maybe, you know, go team Shannon.

Kelli (07:35.074)
No, she's not.

Kelli (07:42.395)
Crazy person, right.

Kelli (07:47.737)
Right. Yeah, could be.

We Wine Whenever (07:51.944)
Right?

Kelli (07:52.933)
Who knows?

We Wine Whenever (07:56.027)
And then what happens? then,

Emily goes on, so after the, know, she says they were together 10 days after the accident. Emily says, well, they were in a relationship. she says, Alexis says, friends with benefits. And Emily's like, they were in a relationship for five years. How can you say it's friends with benefits? And then Emily jumps in and is calling Gina and Emily Tweedledee and Tweedledum. And that's when Emily, she went off.

Kelli (08:24.067)
Oof. Yeah, that was not smart. That was not good at all.

We Wine Whenever (08:28.169)
All right.

But I will, I still stand by this. Emily was way too hot at this reunion.

Kelli (08:36.347)
I think she redeemed herself up until a certain point and we'll get there. But at this point with Alexis, I think she redeemed herself. But I totally agree with you. The first two episodes of the reunion, she was way too hot coming in hard at Katie and Jen. And then she does it again. She does it again before the episode ends. And it's ridiculous and it's incredibly hypocritical what she does in this episode.

We Wine Whenever (09:06.322)
It is. mean, I even wrote down the conversation between Shannon and Alexis is ridiculous because it was it was just going back and forth, back and forth. There was no resolve to it. Everyone was yelling and screaming. No.

Kelli (09:18.213)
There's not gonna be resolve and John is not gonna marry her and if they do get married, it's not gonna last. this is stupid. The guy just wants to be on TV and now she's not gonna be on TV anymore so we're gonna watch this crumble. I don't care, I don't wanna see it but she is a TV star so she'll be just fine.

We Wine Whenever (09:31.547)
Yep. No, but she's a TV star. She's been on TV for 15 years.

Kelli (09:44.357)
Gina is the best though for saying to Alexis.

She's not obsessed with him, but this is all happening and she has a right to be sad about it. She has the right to be sad about this. So just stop and let her be. I thought Gina was great in that moment.

We Wine Whenever (09:57.412)
Right, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (10:02.024)
100%. Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:08.592)
Yeah, I thought Gina was great. Honestly, the whole season I was happy with Gina. And, you know, that's another thing I saw on social media. So I don't know if you saw it. Gina had put up a post. The Brady Bunch.

Kelli (10:19.928)
Yeah. Yeah. And then her father commented.

We Wine Whenever (10:25.618)
Her father commented?

Kelli (10:27.723)
I thought you were talking about the one where somebody put a post up about Gina and somebody wrote, Gina is a great daughter, a great mother, but it was her dad. Okay, I'm sorry. So this is something else. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:38.184)
no, no, I know what you're talking about. It was her dad commenting as commenting as her. Because, yeah, no, it was she put up a post after the reunion and it was like the Brady Bunch theme song. And it was like all the pictures of her and Travis and her kids and his kids. And she said, like, all were and it was all we're missing is the Alice. And the kids looked really cute in it like they all had like denim and they were all kind of like matching. And then people were like slamming her.

Travis's ex, she has a court order not to post pictures and she commented like there is no court order not to post

Kelli (11:16.591)
Well, the Bravo docket did say that there was a court order, and I think that that's where people got it from.

We Wine Whenever (11:21.276)
Okay, maybe that had expired or something. You know? But she's like, I wouldn't be posting it if there was a court order. Right, I'm not stupid.

Kelli (11:25.349)
Sure. Sure. Yeah.

Kelli (11:32.781)
Right, she's not stupid.

So when Emily said, and Emily was right, so when Emily said, had John signed the non-disparagement clause, when Shannon originally asked him, Shannon would not have been able to say anything bad about him. And if she did, it would have been on camera and she would have been in default with it and would have gotten punitive damages.

We Wine Whenever (11:44.797)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (12:01.387)
What she said, and it never occurred to me, I never thought of that, but what she said made total sense. So he should have just signed it. The whole thing of him not wanting to do it while she was filming, he should have done it for that reason.

We Wine Whenever (12:06.856)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (12:15.974)
Right. Right.

Kelli (12:19.928)
very interesting. And then he says on camera that Shannon hasn't taken accountability for that night. I mean, I think she's taken full accountability. I don't know if he's like he said with the with the people who were involved. I don't know if he's talking about his daughters, but I do remember hearing that his daughters did not like Shannon very much. So I don't know what he's looking for. If he's looking for an apology, he's not going to get one.

We Wine Whenever (12:22.202)
It really is interesting.

We Wine Whenever (12:34.76)
Definitely.

Kelli (12:49.487)
and he shouldn't be asking for one. They're grown-ass adults. They know what happened. Move on. But I feel like she's definitely being accountable. Certainly compared to Karen Huger for crying out loud.

We Wine Whenever (12:52.53)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:03.095)
that's a fact. Yeah, Karen is in an alternate universe.

Kelli (13:08.557)
I can't wait to talk about that.

We Wine Whenever (13:10.31)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:12.323)
And then he offers her to see the video and Alexis says with me in the room.

We Wine Whenever (13:16.904)
I know, what was that about? Like, why do you need to be in the room, seriously?

Kelli (13:21.613)
Are you that insecure that if he's left alone in a room with Shannon something's gonna happen? Because that's your insecurity about your relationship. That's got nothing to do with Shannon watching a video of herself.

We Wine Whenever (13:33.915)
I mean, and even said like, never, I never spoke of this video. I never wanted, you know, this video. was traumatic for me to watch.

Kelli (13:44.635)
Well, your girlfriend had no problem bringing it up.

We Wine Whenever (13:46.863)
Right. More than once.

Kelli (13:49.019)
Yeah, and then she says to, she says to Shannon on the reunion, you're the one who brought it up, or your lawyer's the one who brought it up. And they were all like, Emily and Gina, they were all like, you brought it up.

We Wine Whenever (14:01.647)
Right. Exactly.

Kelli (14:03.599)
Like she was talking in circles that one.

and she said she didn't know the cameras were on when she brought up the video. She said she didn't know the cameras were on because they had filmed such a long day.

We Wine Whenever (14:15.505)
They- but she brought it up more than once. Yeah.

Kelli (14:17.605)
For sure she did. She most certainly did.

We Wine Whenever (14:25.201)
So John says the videos were never gonna be shown to anyone. It was not in my intent for anyone to ever see them. The producer asked, why keep them? Alexis said, I was never supposed to mention the videos. And he asked, if you came in too hot in the beginning and they're all yelling, Alexis says, I don't know, I'm not John. That's all that was happening is everyone was just yelling back and forth. Alexis didn't admit to anything.

Kelli (14:48.709)
Yeah, yes.

Kelli (14:53.605)
Mm-mm.

We Wine Whenever (14:53.787)
She didn't admit wrongdoing to anything. John didn't, when they had their own little confessional again, John didn't admit that he was wrong in anything. It just, and the whole, yeah, it was not, and the whole time I'm watching Tamar, she's just sitting there and just staying out of it, which honestly I was glad because she, all people, needed to be staying out of it.

Kelli (15:03.14)
No.

Kelli (15:06.553)
Yeah, it was not productive.

Kelli (15:17.837)
Yeah, I mean, thankfully she wasn't coming at Shannon. I mean, we heard Emily saying to her, how can you be friends with this? then when Emily brings it back to Jen and says, you said you don't subscribe to Mean Girl Behavior, but you are being friends with Alexis, that is the most hypocritical thing Emily has ever said because she is friends with Tamara.

And quite honestly, Alexis wasn't being a mean girl. Alexis was being an asshole. Tamra is the epitome of a mean girl. And Heather, yes. And Emily has done nothing but support both of them all season. So Emily was way wrong. This was not a good season for Emily, in my opinion, for that reason. And I loved her.

We Wine Whenever (15:53.06)
Right. And Heather, and Heather, were both being mean girls. I mean, yes.

We Wine Whenever (16:12.153)
Now I agree.

Kelli (16:16.229)
but she's got no right to question anybody about their friendships because she's supporting Tamara and Heather and they are the ultimate mean girls on this franchise.

We Wine Whenever (16:26.554)
Yes, I agree with you. They absolutely are.

We Wine Whenever (16:34.214)
So then after Alexis leaves, Shannon says she needs a break. So she gets a break and then she comes back and.

Andy says, you know, the whole time I was watching Tamar like quietly defend Shannon when this whole thing was going on and Sharon and you know during Alexis's attack and then Shannon and Tamar kind of agree to like move forward and you know, they give each other a hug and You know, I think honestly after seeing that I Think that Shannon may forgive her. I think that she might you know, I just think that's who Shannon is

yeah.

Kelli (17:14.907)
bigger person than me.

Kelli (17:19.387)
I wonder what Vicky thinks of all that.

We Wine Whenever (17:22.17)
I think Vicki's already openly said that she wouldn't be surprised if Shannon forgives Tamra, but she will not. She will not move forward with Tamra. she's, no, and she's okay. And she's okay if that's what Shannon decides to do. Emily then says that she gives Shannon mad props for the way that she handled the situation with Alexis and the lawsuit and the entire season. And I, you know, I think a lot of the fans say that. We certainly agree.

Kelli (17:31.204)
and she shouldn't.

Kelli (17:48.891)
For sure. For sure. I don't think I could have gotten through that. I really don't. It was so fresh. It just had happened.

We Wine Whenever (17:56.282)
No, it was a lot.

We Wine Whenever (18:00.995)
Right, it had just happened. It had just happened. Shannon says she's glad it's over. Tamar admits that she didn't like what she saw of herself this season. It's funny because she said, I didn't really like what I saw this season. And Andy looks at her, goes, you mean of yourself? And she's like, yes. But that's what I meant. Right, because that's what he was doing the whole time, kind of like coaching her.

Kelli (18:17.645)
Right? Yeah, let's be clear.

Kelli (18:24.761)
He was coaching her. And then even at the end, he's like, keep up, keep it up, keep it up. Like, I guess the therapy thing. But it's like, why? Like, he has such a soft spot for these assholes. Tamra, Teresa, like, why? And then he's shitty to people like Rachel Fuda and puts her in the second seat on Watch What Happens Live. I'm not getting past it. I'm not letting it go.

We Wine Whenever (18:37.924)
Mm-mm.

We Wine Whenever (18:42.867)
you're not getting over that,

Kelli (18:49.305)
I don't even put Watch What Happens Live in my DVR anymore after that. You don't disrespect Rachel Fuda. Come on now.

We Wine Whenever (18:55.68)
No, you don't. No, you don't. Katie thanks Heather for coming over to her and saying that she was sorry that would happen with her kids. And then this whole 36 hours later, this was the biggest bunch of bullshit.

Kelli (19:05.573)
Yeah, that was nice.

Kelli (19:14.297)
I'm glad you said it, because I was thinking the same thing. It was very summer house when Carl broke off the engagement and all the girls kumbaya'd at, you know, what's her faces, the girl who left, what's her face, I don't even know her name, it doesn't matter, her apartment, Danielle.

We Wine Whenever (19:30.405)
Danielle. I couldn't think of her name either for a second. Yeah, Yeah, exactly, exactly. So this was such bullshit. So 36 hours later, Emily, Gina, Heather and Shannon all go over to, whose house did they go over to? Emily's house, that's right. Heather went out to dinner the night of the finale with Tamara, Eddie, John and Alexis and Heather.

Kelli (19:36.143)
Goes to show you why she's not on the show anymore.

Kelli (19:51.215)
Emily's.

We Wine Whenever (20:00.662)
says John said he heard the crash.

Kelli (20:05.435)
Of course he heard the crash. Why is this a huge revelation? You'd have to be a moron. I don't like to bring this up because I don't like to bring bad karma, but when my daughter had a very bad accident up the street, like we're probably seven houses down from where it was, I heard it, your husband heard it, and he was even farther away from me. So of course John heard the crash.

We Wine Whenever (20:06.764)
Right. Right. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (20:31.618)
Right. Right. He heard it.

Kelli (20:37.531)
and Heather never brought that up all season? no, no, I'm sorry, Heather and Tamara found out the night of the finale party, so it was after filming had wrapped. Okay, they were questioning why she didn't bring it up at the reunion. Okay, okay.

We Wine Whenever (20:49.085)
Right, right, exactly. After the finale party.

Exactly, exactly, exactly. And that's the whole point is that they found out after the finale party when they all went out and the reunion would have been the time to bring it up. Why did they have to 36 hours later meet and discuss it?

Kelli (21:05.755)
100 %!

Kelli (21:12.505)
Because the producers at Bravo think that they've found that now that they now after Scandival they think they found the secret ingredient to making these shows successful. Holding on to this information and then giving it to us piece by piece and then having some big revelation after we think everything's done and wrapped. Right?

We Wine Whenever (21:30.275)
Right.

Kelli (21:33.74)
over it.

We Wine Whenever (21:37.376)
And then when they're telling Shannon this and you know, because they didn't tell Tamar this until after the reunion when they're telling Shannon this, you know, they say, well, his daughter, his daughter, he was going to go look and his daughter said, no, you guys have been fighting and the daughter went and looked. And then she then she looked at Shannon and she said as she was leaving Tamar whispered to Shannon that he said that you punched him.

And Shannon's like, well, I don't remember it. I don't remember anything. she's, yeah, and she's been maintaining that. Like she doesn't remember. Like, you know, she blacked out. She was drunk. She's, you know. Maybe that is what's on the videos, but still it's like, why? Like, why are you, you've already done the reunion. This was the time that this should have been brought up. It really makes me question this show.

Kelli (22:09.103)
I'm sure she did.

Kelli (22:16.025)
Maybe that's what's on the videos.

Kelli (22:35.643)
It's making me question everything because it's like so produced and these women are clearly being told what to do, when to do it, how to do it. It's very frustrating because it's not how it started.

We Wine Whenever (22:48.938)
It is frustrating. I mean, I was just thinking, do you want to just throw Potomac on this one instead of doing a separate episode? Right? Because I don't really have anything else to say about it. figured we'll just... And then we'll bring up the Karen thing. We'll throw Potomac on it.

Kelli (22:58.126)
Yeah, we might as well, right?

Kelli (23:05.913)
Yeah, yeah. Let's do Potomac, but real quick. All right, so that's it for OC. We're good. We're all set. I did listen to Melissa Gorga and Jen Fessler today on Melissa Gorga's podcast. I don't think it's brand new. I think it's been around. just I'm just catching up on podcasts. Have you listened to it?

We Wine Whenever (23:12.522)
Yeah, we're good for O.C.

We Wine Whenever (23:20.097)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (23:24.171)
I have not listened to Melissa and Jen. Okay.

Kelli (23:26.339)
It's good. It's not long. It's very, very good. But what I thought was interesting is, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Listen to the Jen Fessler one because it's very good. Today I listened to Melissa and Heather DeBrow.

We Wine Whenever (23:42.55)
So I saw the Heather one and I wasn't interested in listening to it. Is it good? Because I just I'm annoyed with Heather.

Kelli (23:48.695)
It's pretty good. The Jen Fessler one's definitely better, for sure. The Heather DeBro one is decent because I feel the same way you do about Heather right now. Well, I always have, but Melissa asked her to rate her season from one to 10, one being the worst, 10 being the best. And Heather was like, have you ever had a housewife that said 10? Like, have you ever thought your season was a 10? So I think she gave the season a five, which is fine.

We Wine Whenever (23:51.583)
Okay.

Kelli (24:16.517)
But what I thought was interesting was Melissa said, I don't know if I would rate a season or if I have rated a season, but I can tell you if somebody asked me what my favorite season was to film, it was season four. So now I'm like, I gotta go back and watch season four. Cause what is she talking about? Cause weren't they still, she must have still been fighting with Teresa. Like I honestly thought she was gonna say like six or seven, like when they were getting along.

We Wine Whenever (24:36.768)
I don't remember.

We Wine Whenever (24:44.034)
I don't remember what season four was.

Kelli (24:45.503)
I know, I'm gonna go back and watch and I will report back. There were a couple of other things with the Jen Fessler one and with the Heather DeBro one. They were interesting, they're worth listening to. Definitely the Fessler. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:48.62)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (24:56.642)
Okay. Okay. You know, I've been seeing Jen Fessler all over on social media. You know, I didn't know a mini Bloomingdale's opened up in the Grove.

Kelli (25:06.573)
Yes, and she's doing something for page six. And she has her own podcast. Yeah, she's working it, Fessler.

We Wine Whenever (25:10.324)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (25:15.903)
Yeah, so I saw that she's got her own podcast. She was advertising for Minnie Bloomingdale. She was up at the American Dream Mall promoting that. I'm like, you go get your bag done, Fessler. Good for her. Good for her.

Kelli (25:23.727)
Yes. Yes.

She's getting her bag. Yes, yes. And she's very likable, Jen Fessler. She just is.

We Wine Whenever (25:35.583)
Yes, yes she is. No, I agree. I agree.

Kelli (25:40.227)
and they're still maintaining that they have no idea what's going on next.

We Wine Whenever (25:43.105)
They don't know. It's not that they're maintaining it. They don't know.

Kelli (25:47.387)
But Jen Fessler is going to Melissa Gorgas for Christmas Eve and I'm very jelly. Not that I don't love my Witter family and our Christmas Eve's because it is a good time. But I wouldn't mind being invited to a Gorgas Christmas Eve. Just saying.

We Wine Whenever (25:54.956)
okay good.

We Wine Whenever (26:03.613)
All right, let's dive into Potomac. So this one is season nine, episode number eight, and it's called Healing, Thriving, and Surviving. Yeah.

Kelli (26:09.551)
Yeah, let's do it.

Kelli (26:17.143)
Whew. That song is something.

We Wine Whenever (26:20.511)
Yep, we start out with three days until Karen's court date. And there's another GNA event. It's a health and wellness event. And pretty much everyone shows up except for Karen. Karen was invited, but she wasn't there. And they're talking about the goals that they had for raising money for the National Brain Tumor Society. And they're doing this fitness class, which was, I don't even know what it was. mean,

First I thought they were going be doing yoga, but then they're not doing, I don't know, some kind of fitness class. And then after the fitness class, Giselle announces Ashley's going to sing them a song.

Kelli (26:51.033)
Yeah, they were doing something.

Kelli (27:01.251)
and she announces her as an international pop star.

I mean... Huh? That was crazy.

We Wine Whenever (27:13.568)
I mean, that was crazy. And I'll tell you what, Stacey and her confessional, she's like, it takes a lot of courage to get up and sing that. Like she was so, like she just doesn't say it being, she really tried very hard to hit those high notes. I'm like, meanwhile, everyone else is like, where's the auto tune? What's go, right. Yes, I think it might've been Wendy. Like, where's the auto tune?

Kelli (27:28.463)
Yeah, she's like Terry. She's a Terry.

Kelli (27:34.393)
Where's the autotune? Did you hear somebody say that?

think it was Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (27:40.448)
But Stacey's like, she was really trying hard to hit those high notes. I'm like, what?

Kelli (27:47.695)
That was amazing. She's great.

We Wine Whenever (27:51.1)
And then after that, see Mia sits down with the girls and she like asks, she like rallies. Yep, rallying them around if they could support her. know, Gordon and had this like falling out and you know, he called her an adulterer and said she had an abortion because of Inc and all the ladies are just like, yeah.

Kelli (27:55.333)
Hold in court. Hold in court.

Kelli (28:14.373)
She is really trying to take over this season. She is really trying to just have her moment and it be all about her and she don't give an F whose toes she's stepping on.

We Wine Whenever (28:17.394)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:26.002)
It's true, it's true. And the girls are like, we appreciate how open you've been, but then all of them and their confessionals are like, I don't know what's going on with her, but this is, you it's, yeah, it's too much.

Kelli (28:38.105)
It's too much. It's way too much. Don't you have a therapist you can go talk to about this stuff?

We Wine Whenever (28:42.792)
And then Giselle leads a... I know, right?

We Wine Whenever (28:50.791)
And then Giselle leads them all in a prayer for Karen about her upcoming court case, which we already knew it was going to get adjourned because it still isn't solved today.

Kelli (29:02.169)
Well, yeah, we did know that. a couple of things. First of all, Karen said she's ready for the accusations brought against her. Accusations? You blew higher than the legal level. These are not accusations. You were legally drunk and drove. So let's stop saying that. She takes no accountability. Now, I had to look up Circuit Court because

We Wine Whenever (29:13.47)
Right. You mean charges? Right. You mean the charges?

Kelli (29:30.563)
I've worked for lawyers for over 20 years. I haven't done legal work in a long time. I got into the billing area and I've been there for quite too long, quite honestly, too long. so circuit courts could mean something different in different states, but I knew in my head, like it feels like an appellate thing.

We Wine Whenever (29:48.711)
Okay.

Kelli (29:53.871)
where if somebody's appealing something. And I think that that is why, I mean, a DUI should be a township municipal thing. But this is not, I think, because of how she's trying to defend herself. And I think that that is why we are going up to a circuit court. her, think she fighting this is bringing it to a higher level. Personally, I don't think she's doing herself any justice.

We Wine Whenever (30:01.98)
I would think so.

We Wine Whenever (30:20.86)
No.

Kelli (30:21.355)
And I don't know what the outcome, we still don't know an outcome, right? She's just prolonging it. And I personally, I feel like this is going to piss the judge off. You were drunk. It is there in black and white. Now take your punishment. I also wanted to see if the Bravo docket did an episode on this because I wanted to learn more about why it's in a circuit court. They did not do an episode on this.

We Wine Whenever (30:24.732)
right.

Kelli (30:51.119)
that I could find. So if somebody knows if the Bravo Docket did an episode on Karen Huger's matter, please let us know because I couldn't find one and I would like to listen to it.

We Wine Whenever (31:01.362)
Yes, or maybe we'll reach out to the Bravo docket and ask them to do an episode. Okay, we can do that. I'm thinking that because she was initially claiming that she wasn't read her Miranda rights, so it's a civil rights, it's a civil rights, right? That's a civil rights violation. So that's why it's there.

Kelli (31:05.455)
Let's do it. Yeah.

Kelli (31:16.264)
that's why it's in the circuit court.

Kelli (31:22.853)
Yeah. Yes. I keep forgetting that that's part of her defense.

We Wine Whenever (31:29.212)
Right, but that was thrown out.

Kelli (31:31.279)
Yeah, because you were drunk! They might have, and you don't remember. How about that?

We Wine Whenever (31:33.342)
Right.

Yeah, but it was within minutes. Like they said, they did an on scene investigation. And during the course over the course of the investigation on scene while she was being seen by EMS is when they, you know, got the information that she was trying

Kelli (31:53.733)
So are they claiming that they did read her her Miranda rights? okay, okay.

We Wine Whenever (31:57.08)
No, they are not claiming that when they put her under arrest, she wasn't arrested at that point. But she is saying that she wasn't free to go. So if she wasn't free to go, then they should have read her her Miranda rights. But they're saying we were doing the investigation. And again, we're not we're not talking about ours roadside. We're talking about while she was being seen by EMS.

Kelli (32:15.278)
Okay.

Kelli (32:22.369)
Right. Right. Okay. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (32:23.998)
You know, it's not like she was in a room for 24 hours and you know what I mean?

Kelli (32:29.603)
Yeah, and to me, like it's bothersome that not only is she not taking accountability for it, it's like she can't even admit that she did something wrong.

We Wine Whenever (32:38.278)
No, she can't. It's sputtering everybody.

Kelli (32:40.899)
Yeah, it's so- it's really bothering me.

We Wine Whenever (32:43.548)
Yeah, it's bothering all of her castmates as well. Yeah, no, it should. It should. So then the morning of court, we see Karen getting ready and we finally get to see Ray. He said he's there to support her, but he'd rather be on the golf course. Sean will blame him. I think it's weird then that her lawyer goes to the house and before she answers the door, she asks if he's mic'd and they say no.

Kelli (32:46.206)
And it should.

Kelli (33:00.123)
feel like Eric would say the same thing.

We Wine Whenever (33:12.029)
And then he comes in and he says, okay, we'll talk in the car so that they can take the mics off and they can talk on the way to court.

Kelli (33:18.959)
Yeah. I mean that, that makes sense.

We Wine Whenever (33:21.585)
Yeah, but just meet her, meet her in court.

Kelli (33:24.527)
Yeah, I don't know why your lawyer had to pick you up. Who is he, James Leonard?

We Wine Whenever (33:28.943)
Right. I mean, did he want the camera time?

Kelli (33:31.705)
Yes, of course he did. Of course he did. This is what our world has come to.

We Wine Whenever (33:40.293)
Yeah, that's sad. That's sad because even the whole interaction, we see her walking into court. Then we find out, which we knew from, you know, Kiana that it's adjourned. And then we see her coming home from court and then she asks Ray to walk him out because she's so tired and she's going to go upstairs and lay down because she's not talking about this anymore. I'm like, come on.

Kelli (33:42.115)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (34:00.816)
Bye.

Yep. It's like, why do we have to keep watching scenes about it if you're not gonna talk about it? If you can't talk about it, can't talk about it, so don't film about it. Well, she would probably prefer not to film about it, actually. Yeah. But Wendy said she could have house arrest. Well, Wendy said that according to Happy Eddie, who is an attorney, she could be put on house arrest, she could get community service or jail time. I mean, honestly, it is her second. I know in New Jersey,

We Wine Whenever (34:11.399)
Right.

And I'm sure she would. I'm sure she would.

We Wine Whenever (34:22.031)
Right, who is an attorney.

Kelli (34:33.615)
that would probably warrant jail time, right? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:38.063)
It could. It could. And so while this is going on at court, Mia, the girls get together, except for Ashley, and they're gonna support Karen from afar. But then Kiarna breaks the news to them that there's nothing to support because it's been adjourned till September 23rd. And that's when the trial, she said, because I even wrote it down. She said, that's when the trial is going to happen.

Kelli (35:08.559)
That's amazing that a DUI case where nobody, I mean, nobody was hurt or killed. Like then I could see it warranting a trial, but this warranting a trial, doesn't seem right. If you're fighting it tooth or nail, even though you're clearly guilty, it's in black and white.

We Wine Whenever (35:13.935)
Injured. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (35:20.133)
Well, if you're pleading not guilty, you get a trial. I mean, that's how it works.

We Wine Whenever (35:27.299)
Right, right. And then they, when they find that out, Gisele's like, let's FaceTime Karen. And Mia says, well, maybe you text her first to make sure she's not drunk. Like, come on.

Kelli (35:42.299)
She's such trash. She's trash Mia. She's just trash.

We Wine Whenever (35:47.952)
And then Stacy, Stacy sticks up for Karen again and says, you know, she's not drinking anymore. Listen, Stacy is like the cheerleader for everybody. She really is. She's going to get eaten alive.

Kelli (35:48.261)
She really is.

Kelli (35:56.281)
Yeah. Yeah.

She might. She really might.

I if she's doing herself any favors, but.

We Wine Whenever (36:06.648)
So I don't think she knows how to do anything else though. I just think that's who she is. Then we see Ashley and her sons are decorating a cake for Ashley's birthday and Monica and Kayla and Uncle Lump come over for a visit because it's Ashley's 36th birthday. We haven't seen Uncle Lump, I think, all season, right? And then Ashley lets us know that her actual birthday is the day of Wendy's party.

Kelli (36:10.071)
I don't think so either, exactly.

Kelli (36:29.304)
No, we haven't.

We Wine Whenever (36:36.476)
Even though they've already celebrated Wendy's birthday.

Kelli (36:39.641)
Right. Get on board.

We Wine Whenever (36:42.18)
Yep.

their ass.

Kelli (36:46.373)
I don't know what she started crying about, but she had the crying without tears down like Tamra. What'd she start crying about?

We Wine Whenever (36:50.894)
Well, she was crying about the mediation. you know, she's telling them what's going on with the mediation. I guess one of those women there told her to make sure she gets a good lawyer and she listened and she got a good lawyer. Then her mom shows up and Ashley's outside when they start talking about it so the kids could go outside and play. And she starts crying. She's like, you know, when we get into this mediation, I'm really worried about getting into the nitty gritty of the infidelity.

And Uncle Lump is like, well, do you have proof of the infidelity? She's like, well, it's online. He goes, well, that's proof. So I guess, and I get that. Like, I guess she's worried. Like, you know, she even said the whole time, like she knows who Michael is and she knows who Michael can be. And that's one of the reasons she wasn't going for the divorce because she didn't think she had it in her to fight him, because he could be ruthless.

Kelli (37:28.709)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:45.413)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:47.872)
And now she feels like she's strong enough to do it, when it's getting closer to the date, she's nervous about it.

Kelli (37:54.979)
I don't blame her. mean, I think that, you know, Michael's obviously a successful businessman and you don't just get there by being a nice guy. you know, he definitely, and he definitely was a philanderer. mean, he definitely had affairs. That's been proven. So, you know, he's going to protect his assets, but she's got two kids with him. Like it, I would hope that he would do right by his kids. Like maybe she's not going to get, you know,

We Wine Whenever (38:09.263)
Yes.

Kelli (38:22.125)
Whatever. I'm sure she'll get something. He's going to give her something for alimony. Maybe not what she wants, but get a job, Ashley. Maybe that's what she's trying to do with this song.

We Wine Whenever (38:33.43)
Yeah, I don't know. Speaking of alimony, it just came out that Lenny Hoxtein and Lisa Hoxtein's child support came out. Did you see that?

Kelli (38:44.013)
I did it. I saw that the divorce was final, right?

We Wine Whenever (38:46.65)
Yeah, so she's gonna get $15,000 a month for her two children until the one, the boy is older or the girl is older? Okay, so he's eight now until he turns 18 and then it goes to $10,000 a month for the other one when there's only one. And Up and Adam figured it out. So that comes out to,

Kelli (38:58.105)
boys older.

We Wine Whenever (39:15.514)
$2.2 million for... I know, I know, it is, I know. It didn't say anything about alimony.

Kelli (39:18.395)
This guy's worth way more than that.

Does she get alimony on top of that?

Kelli (39:27.279)
That's a bunch of bullshit, because that guy's fucking loaded. He's living on Star Island with fucking Oprah. And former home of Diddy.

We Wine Whenever (39:33.112)
Yeah. I know. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I thought that that was interesting, you know, as far as I don't know what's going to happen with Ashley, you know, and I don't know how many other children Michael has. I know he has other children. I know he has grown children because he's an old man. Yeah. He's probably got grandchildren older than his children. You know.

Kelli (39:40.601)
That is interesting.

Kelli (39:49.091)
Yeah. Yeah, I think they're older than Ashley, quite honestly.

Kelli (39:58.329)
Yeah, for sure, for sure, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:05.089)
Then we see Mia is on her way to the airport to pick up ink. And she's talking to him about Gordon. Sometimes,

Kelli (40:15.275)
and this was after she said they were gonna take a pause and it's been five days. They didn't take a pause. He went back to Atlanta to handle his business and flew back in on Friday.

We Wine Whenever (40:18.742)
right.

We Wine Whenever (40:24.173)
Mm-hmm. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Kelli (40:29.817)
Right?

We Wine Whenever (40:33.197)
Then we see the place where Wendy's having her birthday party. That house was beautiful. And that, you know, it was on the water, some kind of lake or something.

Kelli (40:38.862)
It sure was.

Kelli (40:44.003)
Yeah, it sure was.

We Wine Whenever (40:46.185)
Wendy and Eddie are going over the seating arrangements where they're going to put, you know, put his family. We didn't really get to see much of this party yet because I'm sure we're going to hopefully we get to see some interaction with his family.

Kelli (41:00.845)
I don't, I mean, we saw the party, but I don't think, I don't think they interacted a lot. They took pictures.

We Wine Whenever (41:08.567)
I know, but you think that's all we're gonna see of the party? Cause it ends...

We Wine Whenever (41:15.903)
It ends with them arguing with them yelling at Mia and they're still at the party.

Kelli (41:21.903)
Wait, the other wives, the other housewives?

We Wine Whenever (41:24.269)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (41:29.4)
So they yeah, so they get to, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're still, yeah, yeah, so we're still at the party. it would just, it's the very beginning of the party. Like, you know, they get there, they set up the seating arrangements. Mia goes over to Wendy's mom and she says, you know, I haven't seen you since, or we haven't spoke since we went at it on Twitter. And her mom is like, you know, I put you in my prayers and,

Kelli (41:30.481)
yeah, yeah, because she says the fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (41:50.682)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (41:58.624)
Mia forgot what she had said about Wendy's mom about being the crow.

Kelli (42:03.643)
Yeah, because she's full of shit and she lies all the time. So when you're a liar, it's hard to keep track of your shit.

We Wine Whenever (42:05.394)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (42:10.516)
Exactly. So Wendy's mom tells her what she said and she said, I'm not a witch. I pray to Jesus. I pray to God. Child of God. So she apologizes as she should.

Kelli (42:17.563)
I'm a child of God.

We Wine Whenever (42:27.264)
then Stacey and Jazzy are talking about her events and Ray, I don't know if you noticed this, but Ray and TJ are on the other side of the party talking about computers. I mean, that was a little strange.

Kelli (42:42.587)
I mean, I feel like it's something Eric might do with somebody if they wanted to talk about computers, but.

We Wine Whenever (42:46.52)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:49.253)
I mean, what Ray said was pretty interesting. He had a PC in 1975. Like, I was one year old. So, nobody I knew had one of those, or even knew what that would be. So that was pretty interesting.

We Wine Whenever (42:54.327)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (42:59.927)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (43:04.098)
Well that is why Karen calls him the Black Bill Gates.

Kelli (43:07.439)
The Black Bill Gates, that's right. What did I call him? Yeah, let's not even. my God, wasn't anything bad, people. It was just a bad.

We Wine Whenever (43:12.948)
No, no, we're not going to repeat what you called it. It was not, it wasn't good though. Okay. So then the, the ladies are all complaining about their heels cause they're trying to walk on the grass because they, you know, they're told to all go over by the water.

Kelli (43:20.695)
Yeah, it wasn't good.

Kelli (43:32.219)
But didn't Ashley say that this is why the invitation said to wear, pla- what'd say?

We Wine Whenever (43:37.684)
No, she said it should have said wear. It said it should have said wear wedges. She said the invitation should have said wear wedges.

Kelli (43:41.593)
Wedges, wedges.

Yes, it should have. I don't want to walk in grass with heels. Come on.

We Wine Whenever (43:49.124)
No, no, you didn't. mean, I don't I guess they didn't know it was going to be in a yard with grass, you know. So they're all going over to see Wendy arrive on the boat. But as we saw when she got there, there was rocks and there was no place for the boat to dock. So she did this drive by and then went someplace else and got off the boat. No, it didn't. It did not land.

Kelli (43:53.049)
Mm-mm, right.

Kelli (44:06.425)
That did not land. Giselle was absolutely right. That did not land.

We Wine Whenever (44:12.376)
So then they all go sit down at the table and Stacey's sitting there and she's like, where's TJ? And then he comes and sits down and is like giving her a hard time for sitting down without him. Yeah, that was not cool. That's just showing another, yep.

Kelli (44:24.389)
Yeah, and not paying attention to him basically at the party.

You're a grown ass man. like, listen, I couldn't imagine our husbands being like that. You're a grown ass man. Go make some conversation. She's actually filming a show and has to be in scenes. So she really can't babysit you.

We Wine Whenever (44:39.925)
Right, right.

Right, exactly, exactly. And then Wendy makes her, finally gets there and makes her grand entrance and gives her, know, cheers to 40 years and cheers to 40 more. And then that's when it comes up that Giselle asks Mia, what happened with what you told us about Gordon and Inc? The next day she's on Instagram with Gordon and the kids and, you know, in the pool with Inc. And she's like, what changed in 24 hours?

And everyone else is like, wait, what? We didn't see this. Like what changed? And Mia says, the fathers of my children need to get along. And everyone's like, fathers?

Kelli (45:23.355)
She's so full of shit. I don't even believe it now. She's doing too much. She's doing too much.

We Wine Whenever (45:25.13)
Like.

I don't... Yeah. It's like, is it we're supposed to believe? Because I don't know either.

Kelli (45:34.937)
I don't believe it. I think she's full of shit. I think Gordon is the father of her children and she's just trying to make a storyline for herself. She's trying to hold on to this spot.

We Wine Whenever (45:41.718)
Mm-hmm.

And this is how it ends. So now we have to wait and see what happens next week, which.

Kelli (45:48.835)
Yeah, you're right, we'll definitely see more of this party. But I did think that they were taking photos with Eddie's siblings at some point at the party.

We Wine Whenever (45:52.628)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (45:58.91)
Yeah, I think that they may have been. may have been. The other, yeah, that is good. The other thing that I saw came out today, you probably saw it too, Schwartz and Sandys is closing. Kind of saw that coming.

Kelli (46:00.931)
Yeah, so that's good.

Kelli (46:08.698)
I did see that.

Yeah, now I was thinking when I saw that, are they still involved in TomTom? Is TomTom even still open?

We Wine Whenever (46:17.953)
TomTom is still open and I'm not mistaken. I think that they sold their portion back to Lisa when they were opening up Schwartz and Sandys.

Kelli (46:29.359)
to get money to put down on Schwartz and Sandy's. Yikes, yikes.

We Wine Whenever (46:33.832)
I think I could be wrong though. I could be wrong. And I don't know, like we don't even know if Andrew pump is coming back.

Kelli (46:36.697)
Yeah.

Kelli (46:40.346)
Mwah.

No, we don't. They're saying yes, and they're saying with new people, but I feel like they tried that and it just didn't click. Like with the whole, that season with Dana, who I really liked, I really liked Dana. That guy Max, I mean, I know he's a player, but I liked him too. I mean, I felt like he was like the new Jax. And who else? Charlie, I liked Charlie. Like I kind of liked the new people, but it didn't take off. Well, the two guys got fired immediately after it.

We Wine Whenever (46:44.683)
video.

We Wine Whenever (46:50.997)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (47:09.245)
No it didn't.

Kelli (47:12.981)
aired because of racial comments they had made 10 years prior on social media, Max and the other guy.

We Wine Whenever (47:19.05)
Yeah, but that, that was, yeah, but that all happened kind of the same time Stassi got fired and Jack's, like it all, it was all at the same time, you know? So it's a different time now, but I don't know. I don't know. I saw today too, which I was very surprised. Remember we were talking about Jessica, Lala's assistant and her podcast. So Jessica now has her own podcast.

Kelli (47:24.857)
Yes. yeah.

For sure.

Kelli (47:42.552)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (47:47.144)
I don't know what it's called, but I will be listening. know she has an NDA, so I know she can't talk for a while.

Kelli (47:52.155)
She can't talk about why she's not on Lala's podcast anymore.

We Wine Whenever (47:55.782)
No, she can't. She can't talk about anything about that.

Kelli (47:59.907)
I really think that you were right and it was probably political and that's why.

We Wine Whenever (48:03.935)
Yeah. And she quit. I definitely think she quit, even based on what Sheena said, because Sheena on her podcast said that, you know, this is why I only hire family. Anyone would be lucky to work for Lala. You know, I really think that she quit. think that she quit, which it is interesting. It is interesting.

Kelli (48:24.645)
Hmm. So interesting.

Like why keep it a secret? Who cares? Unless it's that bad and damaging against Lala.

Like what's the lot? does, why did Lala make her sign in NDA?

We Wine Whenever (48:38.068)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (48:41.555)
Well, at her level, you have to make anybody sign an NDA. I mean, they make their babysitter sign NDAs. You know?

Kelli (48:49.753)
Yeah, it's

We Wine Whenever (48:54.463)
Can you imagine that's your life?

Kelli (48:55.607)
No, no, I wouldn't want it. Because the right amount of money, somebody's gonna violate that NDA. What are they gonna do, put them in jail? They're not gonna put them in jail. It's gonna become a monetary thing, yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (49:04.341)
No, you're going to sue them for money. Yeah, you're going to sue them for money.

Kelli (49:09.947)
Uh-uh, not for me. Like Lori says, I'll stay in my little bubble in Brick, New Jersey and stay under the radar.

We Wine Whenever (49:11.774)
No, no.

We Wine Whenever (49:19.145)
Yeah. No, I agree with that. mean, I can't imagine living your life like that. Everyone that you meet, like, no.

Kelli (49:26.553)
Yeah, because for the right amount of money somebody is gonna talk.

We Wine Whenever (49:30.399)
Yeah.

So the other thing that came out today is the Menendez brothers were back in court. They were supposed to appear virtually, but they couldn't get the Zoom to work. But the judge has ruled that they're waiting to make a determination until after the new year because there's a new prosecutor coming in and they want to leave it up to the new prosecutor.

Kelli (49:57.989)
that prosecutor resign?

We Wine Whenever (50:00.816)
No, was an election. The lost prosecutor lost.

Kelli (50:03.769)
somebody does not want to make this decision.

We Wine Whenever (50:08.678)
no i don't think that's it i think that this is political it's but definitely political because the one who made the the prosecutor that made the recommendation i believe was the same prosecutor

Kelli (50:21.925)
that put him away? Really?

We Wine Whenever (50:22.868)
that put him away. Is that possible? It could have been the same prosecutor for that long and then loses the election. I don't know. Don't quote me on that.

Kelli (50:30.435)
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how long terms are. And you know what? Even if we knew what the terms were in New Jersey, it could possibly not apply to California. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:36.999)
Wouldn't, right.

be different someplace else. Yeah. that, you know, and the two, two of the sisters of the parents also appeared in court really, you know, trying to get the boys out.

Kelli (50:56.621)
Okay, so they're supporting their release.

We Wine Whenever (50:58.782)
There are, yeah, so our family members supporting it. I know that there's family members that are not supporting it also, but I do think that the overwhelming majority of people are supporting the release, even though they are guilty and they've said that they were guilty, they feel like they've served their time. And if this trial was to happen today, it would be a totally different outcome.

Kelli (51:03.457)
Right, that's what I thought I remember.

Kelli (51:14.191)
Right. Right.

Kelli (51:21.869)
Yeah, because I mean, like somebody said it, like they weren't a danger to anybody else. I mean, I'm not trying to minimize the fact that they brutally murdered their parents, but if somebody was sexually abusing you for all those years, for crying out loud.

We Wine Whenever (51:34.351)
Right, right.

Kelli (51:36.511)
Just you know I just it just makes me sad it just makes me really really sad because I I just feel like you know When someone is sexually abused you are you're taking so much away from them You are taking so much away from them They will never be the same. They will never look at life the same you know, it's just a It's a life-altering

We Wine Whenever (51:55.121)
Yeah, definitely.

Kelli (52:06.315)
experience traumatic and

You know, I support them getting out, that's for sure.

We Wine Whenever (52:13.135)
No, I do too. I do too. So we'll have to wait and see, you know, see what happens with that.

Kelli (52:19.578)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (52:22.151)
I guess that's it. can't think of anything else, can you?

Kelli (52:25.293)
No, but I did want to say that I listened to you and Dana cover Beverly Hills and I thought that she was great on it. And I couldn't, the plan was while Lori was away on assignment, Wendy and I were going to have Dana on because Wendy has been friends with Dana for so long. She is a Bravo fan and she also has this, you know, her wonderful son who has this disease. Yeah. And, and has this product and you know, it's a

We Wine Whenever (52:40.486)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (52:49.031)
Duchenne Muscular Gist, yes.

Kelli (52:54.659)
an amazing product. So the plan was to have her on anyway. My daughter had an issue and that I couldn't not be with her for. So that's why I wasn't on, but I did listen to the podcast and I thought Dana was amazing on it. When she said, I'm here for the fighting. I like the fight. I thought that was so funny. That was so funny. So.

We Wine Whenever (53:09.999)
good. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (53:16.147)
And you know, I after after I did it I was like I never even addressed that you weren't there and then someone in honor YouTube's like where's Kelly I was like, no, I didn't I didn't say what Kelly was and I was like, you know, which we just kind of I'm I'm glad you listened to it. I'm good Yeah No, she does make me laugh and listen, that's what we like. You're allowed to have your own opinion. It doesn't have to be the same as mine

Kelli (53:28.459)
yeah.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. I just wanted to let you know that I listened to it and I thought she did great. Yeah, I listened to it this morning.

Kelli (53:45.909)
No, of course, of course. Sometimes we agree more than I thought we would on things, you know? Because we've been talking about Bravo for years and years and years, way before we started doing this podcast, and there were a lot that we didn't agree on. There's been a lot. Mainly Heather DeBrow.

We Wine Whenever (53:45.917)
Where?

Yeah, I don't even remember.

We Wine Whenever (54:02.459)
Right, no. What was it? Yeah, definitely Heather. It definitely was Heather. There was, I don't remember what Dana and I were talking about, but at one point I was like, okay, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. You know, it's okay. It's all right. We don't have to agree. Yeah, so we're gonna have Dana on again. We'll definitely have her on again with you this time. And yeah, cause she is a lot of fun and she, know.

Kelli (54:09.678)
It was out there.

Kelli (54:16.387)
Yeah. Yup. That's right. That's right.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (54:32.07)
She has real opinions and she's not afraid to share them. Which is good. Which is good. Yeah, I do too. I do too. All right, well until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Is this one, it could be our last one? Yeah, so this will be the last one that we drop before Thanksgiving. So we'd like to wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving and we'll see you soon. Bye.

Kelli (54:33.923)
Yeah, right, right. I love that.

Kelli (54:53.925)
Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving.

Kelli (54:58.459)
Bye.