RHOBH-Bananas, Birkin Bags, and Beach Drama

We Wine Whenever (00:00.781)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 14, episode number three, Life's a Beach. So since we didn't do this last week, I thought we would do it this week. I have the girls taglines. So we're just gonna go through them. Let me know your thoughts. The first one was Garcels.

Kelli (00:03.31)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:20.336)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (00:24.868)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (00:27.565)
I've been in the game too long to play by someone else's rules. I like it.

Kelli (00:32.528)
I don't know who else is trying to get her to play by their rules, but okay.

We Wine Whenever (00:36.426)
Yeah. Sutton was, in honor of my fine southern manners, I honor my fine southern manners by putting you in your place. No.

Bosmas was introducing the greatest product I've ever marketed, myself. I like it. Erica Jane, Beverly Hills money buys a lot, but my independence is priceless. I like that one. Kyle, these Hills have eyes and they're all staring at me. Doritze.

Kelli (00:57.286)
That's good. Yep.

Kelli (01:14.907)
No, they're not.

They're really, really not, Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (01:20.942)
I know, know. Dorit, I might look like a doll, but don't wind me up.

Kelli (01:28.528)
Well, I'll tell you what, I would have been like, huh, before the season started, but she has clearly wound up. So I get it. Yes. And I'm gonna say it. I like this wound up Doreen. Cause I'm not a big fan of Kyle. So I'm glad. I like to see this.

We Wine Whenever (01:35.267)
she is wound up. Yeah, she's definitely wound up.

We Wine Whenever (01:47.243)
Yeah, she's definitely wound up. So we start out with Gorsel and her son Jade. He has just signed a contract with LA Models.

Kelli (01:55.62)
real quick, Jennifer Tilly doesn't have a tagline? Is she considered a friend of? I thought she was an official housewife now.

We Wine Whenever (01:59.308)
No, she's a friend. She's a friend of.

Nope, she's a friend of, and by the way, guess how old Jennifer Tilly is.

Kelli (02:08.46)
I think she's younger than me, isn't she? how old is she? WHAT?! I thought she was younger than me!

We Wine Whenever (02:10.767)
no.

Sixty-seven. Sixty-sixty-seven.

Kelli (02:20.412)
Damn, she's had good work done. Wow, I never in a million years, I didn't even think he was 50. Is that crazy? Maybe that's crazy. I never would have guessed 67, I'll tell you that.

We Wine Whenever (02:23.894)
Right?

We Wine Whenever (02:32.29)
I know.

Yeah. No, no, I mean, I think, how old's Kathy Hilton? Kathy Hilton's in her sixties. No, I wouldn't be too sure of that. Let's see.

Kelli (02:43.484)
I'm sure older than that.

Kelli (02:49.904)
Well, yeah, well, Kyle's the youngest, right?

We Wine Whenever (02:53.207)
How old is Kathy Hilton?

Kelli (02:57.562)
I would have loved it if Siri would have said, cares?

We Wine Whenever (02:58.125)
65.

65, I was Google I was asking. 65, Kathy Hilton is. So actually Jennifer Tilly is the oldest housewife.

Kelli (03:11.182)
I really thought she was an official housewife this year, but I guess not. for her? Yeah. She's got Simpson money.

We Wine Whenever (03:14.987)
friend of is fine. I think yeah I know I know we find that out that's crazy that's crazy so Garcelle's with her son Jade and he just signs the contract with LA models absolutely he I mean he is a handsome young man yeah Erica gets her new Porsche I I mean okay good for her

Kelli (03:22.074)
That's amazing. God bless her.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:31.28)
God bless them.

Kelli (03:35.706)
Yeah, both her boys are.

Kelli (03:43.312)
Yeah, that was a nice car.

We Wine Whenever (03:45.013)
Yeah. We see, next see Kyle's talking to her daughter, Porsche, about a trip that Mo's going on and if he's going to be going alone or not. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (03:55.996)
None of business, Kyle. You wanted to separate, remember? She's the one who wanted to separate. None of your business. And it's been two years.

We Wine Whenever (04:02.369)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:09.1)
Okay, you have strong feelings about this,

Kelli (04:10.51)
I really do. I'm just tired that we're still talking about her separation that she wanted two years ago and she's still confused. You might want to go talk to somebody about that.

We Wine Whenever (04:23.312)
Okay, Kyle's, Kathy has planned the weekend getaway. They're going to go to the Oceanside Resort because she knows that Kyle and Dorit are having a rough time and she thinks that, you know, a girl's weekend might help bring them closer together. I know that you are not a fan of Kathy's, but the whole delivering the personalized suitcases,

in the vintage Rolls Royce with her assistant and her driving down the road, eating her banana with her. But I mean, I was laughing, hysterical.

Kelli (04:58.168)
I loved it, quite honestly. What I thought was hysterical was when she said that she was doing it to save on the cost of shipping. Because clearly she's worried about that.

We Wine Whenever (05:00.861)
You did!

We Wine Whenever (05:06.186)
Yes, yes, absolutely. I laughed at that as well. But honestly, think that's how she is. I seriously, yeah. Yeah, I just thought the whole thing, yeah, I thought it was hysterical. So the first stop, they go to Boze's house and she lives in Hancock Park. Her assistant answers the door and Kathy goes in with the suitcase and Boze is like, is she moving in? Like, what is going on?

Kelli (05:13.126)
She probably is.

Kelli (05:19.259)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (05:33.532)
Obviously these women knew she was coming. Or how else would she know to show up to Jade's photo shoot to steal his thunder?

We Wine Whenever (05:41.002)
Well, yeah, well, yeah, exactly.

Kelli (05:46.332)
and then Kyle's like, what is what is that? You have a gate at your front door, Kyle, you know exactly who's coming in.

We Wine Whenever (05:48.17)
GASP

We Wine Whenever (05:56.692)
Well, she's out there beeping her horn.

We Wine Whenever (06:01.355)
We also saw her drop it off at Dorit's house and her daughter was there. Kyle is worried about how things will be with her and Dorit. And I get that because they're not really in a good place and they left it off. Yeah, they left it off pretty good. Then we see Moe stops by Kyle's house. I thought that whole interaction was a little strange.

Kelli (06:16.411)
awkward.

We Wine Whenever (06:28.275)
She painted the bathroom, she shows him she painted the bathroom, she asks him how he likes it, he's like, I love it, I love it, like everything she did, he's like, I love it. I don't

Kelli (06:38.874)
Let me ask you this.

in her confessional she couldn't answer whether or not she wants to get back together with him, right?

Why didn't she ask him about switching out the picture to another woman?

We Wine Whenever (06:54.089)
Well, I mean, I don't know why s-

Kelli (06:54.938)
She had that whole discussion and it was so upsetting to her that they had to have a pizza party in their pajamas for her last week. But now he's right there in the house. You're probably sitting in the room where the picture was talking to him and she doesn't bring it up at all.

We Wine Whenever (07:11.915)
Well, the picture was in the office and they weren't sitting in the office. You are so angry with Kyle.

Kelli (07:12.25)
Come on now.

Kelli (07:18.63)
Well, they were sitting somewhere.

Kelli (07:23.236)
I just don't understand why, like why is this still her thing? Like that's what I'm trying to figure out. I just think, you know what? I think Kyle's just a big phony baloney. I really do.

We Wine Whenever (07:35.253)
Okay, I'm going to agree to disagree. I think that what we're seeing is what's really happening. I think that her and Mo are separated and I think that they still have a working relationship. They still talk to each other.

Kelli (07:49.508)
You don't think after two years she should know whether or not she wants to get back together with him?

We Wine Whenever (07:53.97)
I think she does know, but she just didn't, wasn't ready to talk about it on TV, which I can understand. I mean, it's kind of a personal thing. I mean, she did let us know that, you know, she was surprised that he got a six month lease. And then once he did get the six month lease, she was even more surprised that he didn't stage the apartment, that he bought furniture, that that feels like more of a permanent thing. So I think just her telling us those.

Kelli (07:58.907)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (08:19.07)
bits of information, it would lead me to believe that she was maybe thinking they would get back together, but his actions may be saying something different, so she doesn't maybe feel comfortable sharing that.

Kelli (08:28.922)
Right, so maybe she does and he doesn't, so that's why she's not saying it.

We Wine Whenever (08:33.63)
Right. Or maybe she, you know, she thought she was in a different place. Cause obviously that's what she thought. Cause she was surprised by his actions. You know, even though she is the one who asked for it, you know, that they could have some time apart. I mean, they did, they did try doing it while living under the same roof, which that's kind of awkward. Yeah. The house is big enough.

Kelli (08:43.376)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:57.894)
I mean, the house is big enough, really. They could just both be there and not even know. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:03.3)
the house is big enough. And I'm sure that's kind of how she felt too. Like the house is big enough, but for whatever reason, you know, they chose to do for him to move out. And then you could even see like, she's like, do you want to take the dog? You know, I don't remember the dog's name, but do you want to take the dog with you? And he's like, Nope. And then she's like, well, how is it for you? Like you're like in your apartment with no responsibility. You don't have to worry about the gates, the lights, like all this other stuff. And they do have a lot, I think they have like five, don't they?

Kelli (09:27.6)
Yeah. They have a lot of dogs too.

Yeah, they have a lot of dogs.

We Wine Whenever (09:33.957)
Yeah, they do have a lot of, and that's a lot of work.

Kelli (09:36.304)
Yeah, so he did. He up and left and now, you know, he probably didn't have a lot of responsibility when he was there. I'm sure she took care of everything anyway and now he has even less responsibility.

We Wine Whenever (09:48.561)
Right. And I think that that's kind of her point. know, maybe, I mean, even last week she had mentioned it. Like she doesn't know how to turn on the remote. She doesn't know how to do that. Like she doesn't know how to do the things that he did do. Yeah. She was in charge of everything, but if she needed help with something, he was there and now he's not. I think she's, I personally think she's being real. I think she's showing us what is going on in her life, that they are still speaking.

Kelli (09:59.227)
Right.

Kelli (10:04.933)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:15.313)
I think she has one idea of how it is and I think he has another idea of how it is.

Kelli (10:20.238)
I two years is a long time to be carrying on like this.

We Wine Whenever (10:24.051)
I mean, I don't think it is. I mean, they were married 39 years. They have a long history. Like, I don't think you want to just throw that out. I think you want to try and exhaust everything. And maybe, maybe that's why he did move out. You know, maybe being under the same roof, she wasn't getting the feeling of how much she missed him because he was still there. So maybe now, you know, he's made the six month commitment. He signed a six month lease. Maybe now,

Kelli (10:43.718)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:51.965)
things will change. I don't know. I personally don't think it's fake. That's my opinion. Well, I just said that. You don't like her.

Kelli (10:57.978)
I think she's fake. That's what I think.

Yeah, I just think she's, it's not, mean, don't dislike, I just think she's very fake. I think that she has become like, this has become like an acting job to her, part of it.

We Wine Whenever (11:15.869)
Okay. I did think it was a little bit odd when she was talking to Mo and she said that PK still texts memes to her. tell, they, like, that's weird.

Kelli (11:29.85)
I guess maybe they just always had that relationship. Like Frank Beshe and I will text each other funny shit, you know? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:38.716)
That I get, but if Frank Vesce and Liz Vesce were separated and you would not still be texting Frank Vesce. I don't know why we're saying their first and last names. I don't know that they want us to be doing this. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Vesce.

Kelli (11:51.068)
They don't care. They don't care.

I mean, this isn't the first time I've said it. Yeah, guess, yeah, yeah, I guess it would change. It would change.

We Wine Whenever (12:04.39)
Right? mean, listen, I don't think that if I was friends...

If Bill and I separated and Bill all of a sudden was always texting you, right? You guys were always texting each other and then we're separated and you and Bill are still texting, that would be weird.

Kelli (12:22.136)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:24.252)
I think you gotta pick a side and you gotta pick the side of the person who you're closest to.

Kelli (12:28.572)
But she's not gonna pick Dorit's side at this point. She's saying they weren't even that close of friends. I agree with you. I'm just, I agree with that. I just think she's not, she's not gonna pick Dorit's side at this point.

We Wine Whenever (12:31.442)
Well then, yeah, but I know what don't engage then with it. Just don't engage.

We Wine Whenever (12:39.868)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:45.582)
No, no, she's not. We watch all the ladies packing up, getting ready for their trip. Erica FaceTimes. Jennifer Tilly is so funny. She really is funny. I'm so glad she's on this cast now, even if it's just a friend. I'm so glad. We see they all arrive at Kathy's house and her assistant Carol is there.

Kelli (12:55.142)
Jennifer Tilly brings holy water.

Kelli (13:04.538)
Me too. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:14.427)
you know, getting everything ready for the breakfast and Carl the butler is there and he meets all the ladies with champagne and their breakfast is in the kitchen waiting for them. Like she does put on a first class trip.

Kelli (13:27.32)
Yeah, for sure. Did we already see the examples of Kyle icing Dory out or did we not get there yet? Okay, okay.

We Wine Whenever (13:36.881)
We didn't get there yet. We didn't get there yet. mean, then Kyle arrives with her Birkin inside of her Birkin and the two Birkins are worth $78,000. And Erica asks Dorit like how she's doing today. And Dorit's like, well, it's got off to a rough start. Her kids were upset that she was leaving and you know.

Kelli (13:45.286)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:05.991)
PK just told her that they're not going to be talking five times a day anymore. Her mom's not around. Normally her mom is there when she goes out of town.

Kelli (14:13.212)
Who were they with, the nanny?

We Wine Whenever (14:14.799)
Yeah, she had to get a nanny, which I can understand that. That would be horrible. Yeah.

Kelli (14:18.62)
Well, I can understand the kids being upset too. if maybe if her mom were there and we Erica asked though, why weren't they with PK?

We Wine Whenever (14:26.427)
because they don't know they're separated. And P.K. has his own place. P.K. could have went to her house, absolutely.

Kelli (14:29.02)
But couldn't, exactly, couldn't PK have come, and been like, I'm home from work, that I was away for, and now mommy's gonna go away and I'm gonna stay. yeah, that didn't.

We Wine Whenever (14:38.374)
100 % 100 % I mean, I don't know what their situation is. don't, you know.

Kelli (14:49.06)
Yeah, I feel like he could have done that. So the kids weren't upset.

We Wine Whenever (14:55.62)
Yeah. yeah.

Kelli (14:56.484)
Especially if he's in the same town like if he were legit in in England on business or London yet on business Okay, but if he's in the same town at a hotel Just go just go over there and pretend like he came home from your trip early

We Wine Whenever (15:00.217)
London, right.

We Wine Whenever (15:10.618)
Actually, he's not in a hotel anymore because that's what Moet said. He's all settled in his place. He's got an apartment now. And then Jennifer shows up with her Louis Vuitton boat purse.

Kelli (15:14.525)
right. Right.

Kelli (15:23.268)
Not my gig, but impressive to the others.

We Wine Whenever (15:26.374)
Yeah, $33,000. Erika Jayne spotted that right away.

Kelli (15:31.228)
Could you imagine having that much money that you're spending 30 grand on a bag?

We Wine Whenever (15:36.379)
I can't imagine it, but I'm here for it. I certainly cannot imagine it. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (15:38.701)
I mean, I'm just saying. Like, that's a car for me. That's a car. That's a vehicle for me to get my ass to and from work. And these women are walking around with it on their hands, on their arms.

We Wine Whenever (15:47.182)
Yeah, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (15:53.872)
So then they all get on the bus, you know, getting ready to leave for their trip and Erica asks, who's the biggest star that you ever went on a date with? And Garcelle drops Eddie Murphy, Sean Penn and Will Smith.

Kelli (16:06.256)
Sean Penn was surprising. Not Eddie Murphy because they did that movie together and we all know about Will Smith. But Sean Penn was surprising.

We Wine Whenever (16:08.142)
Yeah, that was surprising.

We Wine Whenever (16:16.42)
Yeah, it was surprising. And Erica in her confessional said if she was with all these men, why did she marry the one that she did? That was shady.

Kelli (16:28.316)
It was definitely shady, but the guy obviously had money. I mean he worked for production company, right? Like he was He was in movie production, I I believe

We Wine Whenever (16:35.718)
I don't know what he did. I don't know what he did.

We Wine Whenever (16:41.19)
Then Garcelle says, you slept with, has anyone slept with a man who is now gay? Take a sip. They pretty much all sip. Jennifer says, if you slept with a man with a crooked dick, take a sip. And then Garcelle says, if you slept with a man with a little dick, take a sip.

Kelli (16:49.783)
All zipped.

Kelli (16:57.638)
That's a good one.

Kelli (17:02.914)
that was horrible.

We Wine Whenever (17:04.629)
I know. So then the ladies arrive at the Oceanside Resort and there's a guy outside that they say looks like Tom Cruise, but it says it's not Tom Cruise. And then they take a picture with the guy who looks like Tom Cruise. What was that about?

Kelli (17:17.18)
He looked exactly like Tom Cruise. I think I have it written down. Is that really Tom Cruise? I feel like if it were, they would have made a bigger deal out of it.

We Wine Whenever (17:20.451)
He did, he really did.

We Wine Whenever (17:26.564)
I mean

We Wine Whenever (17:31.161)
No, they actually put it up on the screen. This is not Tom Cruise. Yes, yes. He looked like a young Tom Cruise. Yes, he did. Yes, yes. That was weird, right?

Kelli (17:35.665)
they did. I missed that. That guy looked exactly like Tom Cruise.

Yes, from the movie. Yes. Yeah, I guess that, yes, it was.

We Wine Whenever (17:49.827)
And I wonder, like, did she plan that? She must have.

Kelli (17:52.682)
yeah, I mean it was where the movie was filmed. I'm sure that's like an option when you book that place. That's what they said when they pulled up.

We Wine Whenever (17:59.685)
okay. All right. Well, that's, Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then they, you know, they check into their rooms and then the first adventure they're gonna do is the beach picnic. And they arrived to the beach and Kathy has this setup with all the tables and the chairs and the flowers, the tents, the servers. I mean, this is again,

Kelli (18:06.684)
It's probably an added thing, you know?

We Wine Whenever (18:30.061)
a five-star event on the beach.

Kelli (18:33.584)
Yeah. And then she thought a surfer was a whale.

We Wine Whenever (18:34.527)
You have to admit that's impressive.

Kelli (18:42.652)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:42.757)
She makes me laugh. She makes me laugh. And then Dorit's talking to Baz at the end of the table and she's telling her about, you know, PK in the apartment and what's going on with her kids. And the other side of the table is like, why is she down there like talking about all this and not involving everybody? And then even afterwards, they're like, well, we want to get to know

Bows also, like why is Dorit like... Right, which I thought that was a little middle school.

Kelli (19:13.456)
They feel like Goreed's dominating her time.

Kelli (19:19.292)
It's very middle school. However, I have seen it online and I don't know, I don't wanna believe that this has anything to do with it, but she has had this ongoing thing with Garcelle and Garcelle has, it has been, Garcelle hasn't done it on purpose, but I'm just saying it's been alluded that she is not very understanding of, you know.

We Wine Whenever (19:21.603)
Right? Okay.

Kelli (19:48.55)
things that she says and does, how it could be perceived by a black woman. So people are saying online, like, she coming on so strong with Bose because she wants that connection with a woman of color? I don't know if that's true or not. I think she just felt a connection with her because the first time they met, they had so many similarities. But people...

We Wine Whenever (19:53.1)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:12.94)
I think that that's it. don't think that. I think that's really reaching. I think that's really reaching.

Kelli (20:16.886)
I completely agree with you. I think it's reaching as well.

We Wine Whenever (20:21.634)
I think it's definitely reaching. Speaking of that, well, before I forget, I saw Bethany Frankel is like new bows from many, many, many years ago and she ran it to her on the plane and she like congratulated her for joining the cast. And then I was listening to Melissa's podcast today with Margaret and Margaret said that

Kelli (20:23.045)
I do too.

Kelli (20:35.292)
wow.

Kelli (20:45.904)
I started it and I finish it.

We Wine Whenever (20:49.316)
Marge senior knows she worked at PepsiCo with her Knows both. Yep Yep, she worked at PepsiCo with her. So I was like, wow, that's awesome. I Thought that was interesting

Kelli (20:53.592)
my gosh, what a small world.

Kelli (21:00.687)
Yeah!

I started the Melissa podcast today, I just haven't finished it.

We Wine Whenever (21:09.027)
Then Jennifer Tilly starts telling us about her ex-husband, Howie Sam Simon, and he was the creator of The Simpsons. And they were married, they were together for seven years and they, no, they were married for seven years together for 10, and then they got divorced. And in her divorce, she got a piece of The Simpsons. Never in a million years expecting it to go on and on and on and on. And he actually had passed in 2015. So she's still, yeah.

Kelli (21:31.164)
God bless her.

Kelli (21:35.773)
I didn't know that.

We Wine Whenever (21:37.825)
He had passed in 2015, so she's still making all that money and good for her.

Kelli (21:39.516)
Wow.

Kelli (21:43.75)
Good for her is right. Damn.

We Wine Whenever (21:47.358)
And then we see the ladies are playing this game on the beach where Cathy gives them paddles of her face and they're going to be doing a relay race. I mean, Cathy is really out there.

Kelli (22:00.006)
The Duck Duck Goose sent me.

We Wine Whenever (22:02.295)
yeah, the Duck Duck Goose.

Kelli (22:05.04)
Why was Dorit falling so much?

We Wine Whenever (22:07.424)
Yeah, that was strange, right? I mean, she fell in both events!

Kelli (22:12.568)
She did. I mean, I know she's very competitive, but.

Kathy could have told them to wear more appropriate shoes.

We Wine Whenever (22:22.924)
Well, you're on the beach. You shouldn't be wearing shoes at all. You should be barefoot.

Kelli (22:25.254)
Did they take their shoes off? I thought maybe Dory kept falling because she had improper shoes on while running on the beach.

We Wine Whenever (22:30.049)
Well, I mean, I don't think she, no, she definitely did not have her shoes on. She said her pants were too long. Remember she said she tripped over her pants because they were too long. I don't know. I mean, the Duck Duck Goose and the relay race were the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

Kelli (22:35.675)
okay.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (22:45.072)
Yeah, the Duck Duck Goose, I'm like, my gosh, I literally haven't played that since kindergarten.

We Wine Whenever (22:50.656)
I know. And then Kyle says, Kathy's stuck in a nursery rhyme book. then Kathy in her confessional says she'd rather be in a nursery rhyme than in real life.

Kelli (22:59.782)
Clearly they've had this conversation before. They've talked about this before.

We Wine Whenever (23:06.466)
I'm like, goodness. And then the ladies are all going to dinner together and they're going to have a five course meal.

Kelli (23:18.204)
I love Garcelle in a short dress. Garcelle looks so good in a short dress. Like that's my style. I love that on

We Wine Whenever (23:27.816)
I honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Gorselle not look good. I love everything that she wears.

Kelli (23:31.694)
Agreed. She just really pulls off the short dress well though. Because she's got the long legs and... I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (23:35.702)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:40.706)
So then they're gonna make a toast and they ask Kyle to make the toast. And she toasts to her beautiful sister, Kathy, and thank you so much for bringing us all together. And nothing goes unnoticed. And thank you for making everything so nice. I was like, my gosh, is like Dorinda there? Because that was like, I made it nice. And then during, after the toast, Kyle says to Dorit, I know, you know,

Kelli (24:00.771)
Exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (24:08.086)
that we need to speak, that you and I need to have a conversation and I don't want there to be awkwardness. And Dorit says, I think it's important that we address the elephant in the room. She wants to do it right now.

Kelli (24:20.038)
Yeah, I didn't think that that was appropriate.

We Wine Whenever (24:22.067)
I did not either, I really didn't. And then Dorit is ready to tell Kyle exactly how she feels. she said she went back and looked at the BravoCon, which is what Kyle told her made her upset. And she showed it to Erica and she didn't think that it was a big deal. And Erica agreed. And then...

Kelli (24:24.347)
Now.

We Wine Whenever (24:45.227)
Kyle brings up that there was a guy in the audience that asked her about Teddy, why she's always trying to thrust her into these girls' lives, and Dorit's friends with Teddy and didn't stick up for her. Again, I agree with that. think both things that Kyle said were reaching. I don't think that either one of them was a reason to be that mad at Dorit. I don't. I don't. No.

Kelli (24:55.334)
That was reaching. That was a load of bullshit.

Kelli (25:08.092)
Absolutely not. Dorit doesn't need to stick up for Teddy. And it doesn't matter if it's an unpopular or popular decision. She's not on the show anymore. She's irrelevant. Teddy is irrelevant in Dorit's life. She might be her friend, but when you're on a stage at BravoCon, she doesn't have to answer that question. Or not even answer, the question wasn't even posed to her. She doesn't have to render an opinion. That was ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (25:17.076)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:25.618)
No, and it wasn't-

Right. Right, exactly. I did think that that was ridiculous too. I did too. But then she goes on to say, the final thing for me is when you showed everyone my text message before the reunion. And then Dorit says, listen, I would never tell anyone something you confided in me. And Kyle says, yeah, I don't think that you're that person. And then Dorit said, well, then why on every podcast and every show that you're on?

Kelli (25:35.974)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:56.521)
All you do is talk about how we're not really friends. And she's like, you're painting me as that girl. And that's when Kyle says to her, know, Dorit, God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason, which was, whoa. And then, you know, can you let me talk? And Dorit says, it's okay, Kyle, it's time for you to F and listen.

Kelli (25:59.044)
And she does.

Kelli (26:19.014)
Yeah, because quite honestly, Kyle's saying a bunch of bullshit. She's saying a bunch of nonsense. Nobody's gonna think that that's a reason for her to be angry at Dorit. Nobody in their right mind.

We Wine Whenever (26:32.968)
No, I agree with you. 100 % agree with you. She is saying a bunch of BS. Did you watch Watch What Happens Live?

Kelli (26:42.428)
Who was on it?

We Wine Whenever (26:44.52)
Okay, we're gonna do, so it was Kathy Hilton and it was Brynn.

Kelli (26:52.227)
I was definitely not watching it.

We Wine Whenever (26:54.366)
Okay, so I'm gonna go over the stuff that involves Kathy Hilton now, and then I'll go over the Brynn stuff when we do New York. So...

So Cathy Hilton's there and behind the bar is her daughter, Nikki Hilton. And Cathy has this little cute little purse on her lap and she's got a beautiful dress on and Nikki has a beautiful dress on. And Andy's like, did you guys go someplace before you came here? Like, why are you dressed like this? And you know, Nikki's like, you know, it's for the holidays because her dress was red and whatever. And then he asked Cathy that and she's like, Nikki designed these dresses for me, for us. And they're part of her.

Kelli (27:34.353)
plug.

We Wine Whenever (27:35.379)
Yeah, they're a part of her collection. And Andy's like, my God, I had no idea. Like, I didn't even expect this to be, you know, a plug.

Kelli (27:41.68)
Yes you did, Andy, but okay, we'll pretend like you didn't.

We Wine Whenever (27:46.304)
So the questions, one of the questions, you know how he does the questions, whose side are you on, Dorit or Kyle's? You know, the audience questions. So the audience, 69 % were on Dorit's side. And then he asked Kathy. And Kathy was like, she wasn't going to answer. And Nikki was there kind of to make sure that she didn't answer. She's like, you know, of course I love my sister. I'm on my sister's side. But you know, she's

And she does need to play it this way. I agree.

Kelli (28:17.018)
No she doesn't. No she doesn't. I disagree with that. Because could you imagine the wrath Kyle would get from her if Kyle did not say, I am on my sister's side. Kathy would not speak to her for a year. She wouldn't be invited to the Christmas party, the Christmas pajama party. She wouldn't be invited to any weddings. She wouldn't be invited to any holidays. She would be iced out if she did not answer her sister Kathy. So no, I disagree with that. Kathy should have, and I don't think Kyle's right.

Kathy should have said she was on Kyle's side.

We Wine Whenever (28:49.407)
proceeding.

Kelli (28:49.456)
Whose story to Kathy?

We Wine Whenever (28:54.483)
friend and castmate?

Kelli (28:56.154)
Right, don't you agree that she would ice Kyle out if Kyle didn't say Kathy?

We Wine Whenever (29:09.162)
I think that, listen, I think they have a very complicated relationship, Kyle and Kathy, and we know that from watching them all these years, right? I think that Kyle thinks before she speaks, unlike Kathy, normally. Normally Kathy just says whatever she thinks, it comes out of her mouth. well,

Kelli (29:13.788)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:27.824)
Because she can, because if she says something that she doesn't want out there, she can pay people off so it doesn't get out there like the van ride with Lisa Rinna. So Kathy can say whatever she wants.

We Wine Whenever (29:39.835)
Well, I think she's learning. think she's learning not to say whatever she wants. And I think she's learning to not have opinions on things that really don't affect her. Because then there was another question about

Which couple is more likely to get back together, Kyle and Mo or Dorit and PK? That was an audience question. So he didn't ask Kathy that question. 66 % of the audience said Kyle and Mo, but he said, yeah, he said, do you have to hold back to Kathy? Do you have to hold back on what you say about Mo because you can see that Kyle and Mo are still close? And Kathy's like, no, I don't. Like, I like Mo.

Kelli (30:10.607)
I agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (30:25.673)
Like we do get along. don't have to not say anything to him. Which that I actually think, then he said, well, when was the last time you saw him? And she said, in Aspen. And I don't know if she was referring to Aspen with Rinna or like they were recently in Aspen. Like I have no idea.

Kelli (30:45.82)
Right, could have been but right now, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:48.158)
And then she went on to say that because he's asking her something about the show and she's like I don't know what you're talking about and then she's like I only watch the clips and and that's true She's always said that she only she's no she doesn't watch the show. She only watches the clips and Then they played a game What's in Kathy's bag? Because she always is the third time they've played this Yeah, so this is the third time they've they've played this game and it was her and Brynne. So Kathy's supposed to take

Kelli (30:59.984)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (31:09.756)
I think they play that every time she's on, right?

We Wine Whenever (31:16.306)
Brynn has glasses on, Kathy's supposed to take something out of her bag and describe it to Brynn and she's supposed to guess it and she's got 60 seconds. So the first thing she takes out of her bag is flowers, like fresh flowers. So she picks them up and she like puts them, she's like, they smell nice and Brynn's like trying to guess and Andy's like, well, you have to describe them. And she's like, well, they're flowers. And he's like, no, you don't tell her what they are. So I'm just.

Kelli (31:42.8)
That's interesting that she had fresh flat, like how big was this bag? Okay.

We Wine Whenever (31:46.193)
It was a big bag. It was a big canvas tote bag. It wasn't the little handbag that was on her lap. And then the next thing she pulls out is she's like describing it. She's like, well, it's fluffy, it's feathers, it's like a snake and they can't get it. So then time is up. It's a boa. It's a feather boa. So time is up. And then she takes something else out of her bag and Annie's like, I want you to get one. Like you have to get something. So she's like, all right, well,

Kelli (31:50.104)
Okay. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (32:15.981)
It's, what are these things in there? She's looking at it like, what are they? And then she goes, okay. There's snow and glass and Brynn's like, a snow globe. And yeah, finally. But the first thing she's, she had a snow globe in her bag. Yeah. I mean, they were just props for this game. Obviously. I I mean, I don't think she's walking around with a feather boa or fresh flowers or a snow globe.

Kelli (32:28.956)
There's a snow globe in her bag?

Kelli (32:35.214)
okay, I thought she really had the stuff in her bag.

Kelli (32:43.074)
I kind of could see the fresh flowers and I don't know why.

but a snow globe is pretty random.

We Wine Whenever (32:52.414)
Yes, the whole thing was, it was just funny. It just was so funny because, because it's a simple game and she just couldn't get it. then one of the callers asks Kathy if she was really a dental hygienist. Cause I guess at one point she said she was a dental hygienist and Annie's like, well, were you really? She's like, yes, when I was a wee little girl. And he's like, well, what do you mean? Like how old? And she's like, well, well, I would sit them down in my toilet and then I would put, and he's like,

Kelli (32:55.352)
It is a, it is funny. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:22.471)
How old were you? And she's like, I don't know, like 12 or 13. He's like, so you were, you were not. She goes, well, I thought I was, I thought I was a dental hygienist. Yes.

Kelli (33:30.95)
think Kyle mentioned this at one point, that she would like work on teeth as a little girl.

Kelli (33:40.454)
That house must have been wild growing up.

We Wine Whenever (33:42.141)
That's what I'm saying. Like this is hysterical. And Nikki's over at the bar like, my gosh, like this is who she is. It was very funny. I know you don't like her, but it was funny. and then she got to do the mausoleum of the day. He gave her the mausoleum of the day and the jackhole. And first she's like, the what? All right, mausoleum of the day. Okay, I'm happy to be here. Okay. And then she's like,

Kelli (33:50.234)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (34:10.78)
So she gave herself the mausoleum of the day.

We Wine Whenever (34:13.117)
She did, she did. And then the jackhole, and she wasn't calling it jackhole, she was calling it something else. And she's like, I'm upset about the sales. And Andy's like, what? Yeah, well, I was just in Europe and we were going shopping and there's no duty free and the sales weren't any good. I was just like, okay. That's just.

Kelli (34:35.654)
So the European sales get the jack-all of the day.

We Wine Whenever (34:38.817)
They weren't good enough for her. They weren't good enough deals.

Kelli (34:42.3)
Step up your game, European shops, boutiques, wherever she was going. You know who you are.

We Wine Whenever (34:48.228)
Yeah, that was, yeah, exactly. So that was the Watch What Happens Live with Cathy. Again, I thought it was funny. think...

Kelli (34:56.7)
She can be very entertaining and funny. Like I do agree that delivering the invitations that way was very, it was great TV. I do agree with that. yes. Yeah, but I think she's smarter than she makes it seem. I think she knows exactly what she's doing. And you know, I truly believe that she said everything Lisa Rinna said she said. There's no reason for Lisa Rinna to lie about that.

We Wine Whenever (35:06.542)
She reminds me of Lucy. She reminds me of Lucille Ball. Like just...

Kelli (35:25.434)
especially because Kyle was her friend. And I stand by what I said. If Kyle were, if the shoes were on, you know, whatever, if the seats were flipped and Kyle was asked, who side are you on, your sisters or anybody else in this world except her other sister? If she didn't say Kathy, that would have been a big problem for Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (35:49.307)
Okay.

Kelli (35:49.466)
So I don't think Cathy did the right thing there. She should have said her sister and I don't think her sister was right, but she still should have said she was team Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (35:57.923)
curious to see how this all plays out. I mean, I do think that Kyle is wrong in this whole Kyle Dorit situation, as did most of the audience. You know, based on their answers, they think Kyle's wrong. I would like to see Kyle and Mo get back together. I really would. I would.

Kelli (36:05.254)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:11.472)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:17.678)
I wonder why Kyle is so angry at Dorit, but making up these, I mean, it can't really be the reason she's saying, because they're just ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (36:31.983)
I don't know. That I don't know.

Kelli (36:34.182)
Did you see that Teddy said she's living with Kyle now?

We Wine Whenever (36:37.273)
Yes, she is. She said that on the podcast with Erica.

Kelli (36:41.178)
I thought that was interesting because I'm assuming Edwin and her children are in Orange County and now she's in Beverly Hills. That's like an hour and a half away.

Kelli (36:54.022)
So did she move an hour and a half away from her kids?

We Wine Whenever (36:56.931)
Maybe. I'm just surprised she moved out. That's what I was surprised about because, you know, I have seen Edwin posting all this stuff on Instagram with his kids.

Kelli (37:00.388)
Me too.

Kelli (37:07.292)
And he and Eddie did another podcast, you Yeah, I didn't listen to it, but...

We Wine Whenever (37:10.545)
I didn't know that. Because I haven't even been listening to them.

Kelli (37:17.34)
I went on to look up, you know, I went to look up something and I saw...

Kelli (37:29.436)
Now I'm not going to say it

I could swear they just did one.

two ads.

well, sorry everyone. wait, November 27th, the Eds. Tis the season. Eddie and Edwin share their favorite memories of celebrating the holidays. November 27th, so that was the day before Thanksgiving. So I'm happy to see, I might actually listen to it just to see if he mentions anything, Edwin.

We Wine Whenever (37:41.669)
You don't see it. What was it about? What was it about? Does it say? Okay.

We Wine Whenever (37:56.655)
Okay, good for them.

We Wine Whenever (38:02.265)
I would listen to it too.

Kelli (38:03.356)
I mean, listen, I don't feel bad for the guy. He obviously cheated on her before. So, you know, I feel bad for the other guy's wife. That's who I feel bad for. I don't feel bad for her because she did it. I don't feel bad for the guy she cheated with. And I certainly don't feel bad for Edwin because it's, you know, she's mentioned before that he's been unfaithful or he's hurt her in that way. So.

We Wine Whenever (38:08.099)
No, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (38:13.401)
Yes, I agree.

Kelli (38:29.734)
But that other woman I feel bad for, wasn't she pregnant? Yeah, it's really, really shitty.

We Wine Whenever (38:32.794)
Yes, yes. No, 100%. That is shitty.

We Wine Whenever (38:40.762)
We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Kelli (38:43.14)
Yeah. All right, I'll try not to be so angry when I talk about Kyle. It's getting like Teresa, isn't it? It's borderline. I gotta chill. I gotta chill.

We Wine Whenever (38:47.226)
All right. It is getting like Teresa. You do have to chill. I was gonna tell you, I wasn't sure if I was gonna bring it up on this episode, but it might as well since you're already angry.

Kelli (39:00.476)
Great. Bring it on. I'm have to get some chamomile tea in me.

We Wine Whenever (39:05.018)
I was listening to Teresa on Give Them Lala podcast and Lala had her on and I know you won't listen to it but Lala, listen, gave her mad props because, you know, she was the original on New Jersey and she's still there and I honestly

Kelli (39:13.442)
Lala, you better on.

Kelli (39:19.132)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (39:32.352)
I didn't hate it and I was thinking about it. I never felt as strongly about Teresa as you did. I actually liked her in the beginning. I did like her. I don't dislike her as much as you do. there's some things that she talked about and things that she said that I, first of all, one of the things that surprised me, I know we said that Jo's family, her ex's family is not close to her.

Kelli (39:42.757)
I liked her in the beginning.

We Wine Whenever (40:02.177)
One of the things she talked about is her daughter still makes sauce with them because she doesn't make sauce anymore. And actually her ex-mother-in-law sent over sauce for her too. So she actually, they do have a relationship with all the cousins on that side. And there's like, I don't even know. They're all girls, but all the girls have a relationship. she said that they are, they do have a relationship. It's not like that she's been shut out, which I'm honestly, I'm glad to hear that.

I know they, okay. Okay. And she is still maintaining, and I think that this is where this comes from. So she was talking about how when her sister-in-law came on, and she's always said this, that she did not know about it until two weeks before it happened, and that they went and auditioned behind her back and...

Kelli (40:32.348)
I don't believe it, but I don't believe her.

We Wine Whenever (41:00.83)
She never got over that. Even though we did see that it seemed like she was getting along with them better after she got out of prison and after Joe went away. But then once Louis came into the picture, then that totally changed. But again, I don't think that that is her. I don't think that she is the brightest bulb as a matter. Right. Right. But I...

Kelli (41:25.799)
no, it's totally Louie. He totally influenced her.

We Wine Whenever (41:32.121)
I don't, I don't, I just feel sorry for her. This is what I'm gonna say. I feel sorry for her. I do, because I don't think that she's this villain that the Melissa fans think she is. I don't think she's a villain. I just think that she is one, not that bright and she hasn't learned from her mistakes. And I think that she really was hurt when her family came on the show behind her back. I think that that really affected her and she doesn't know how to let it go.

because she holds a grudge, just like her father did against the cousins. Just like her father did against Kathy Wacheeley and Rosie's mom. Like they didn't get along. They stopped talking. Like I think that's how she grew up. Like once you...

Kelli (42:15.377)
I totally, totally agree with you. I don't want to be disrespectful to her father because he's deceased and her mother, but she was absolutely 100 % raised like that. But what's interesting is that Cathy's mother is not like that. You know? And that was her brother.

We Wine Whenever (42:28.856)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (42:34.905)
Right. No! Right.

Kelli (42:40.724)
Listen, I agree with you. I mean, I don't feel bad for her. I understand why you do and other people do I don't feel bad for her because You were you were led down a path once went to federal prison for it. You're being led down that path again. Come on Open your eyes

We Wine Whenever (42:58.306)
Yeah. And that's the another thing that she talks about. She talks about the prison thing. know, she, she, and this, when she said this, you probably won't believe it, but I was shocked to hear this. So the reason that she went to prison is because she signed the loan document, but she didn't, she was the last one to sign that loan document. was her, Joe, and their business partner that all signed the document.

And they kept asking her to sign it and asking her to sign it. And she just wasn't signing it. And then one day she just said, all right, I'll sign it. And that's the document that was the fraud that led to all the charges. And what she thinks happens, I mean, I know she's blamed it on Caroline and she's blamed it on everybody, but what she thinks happened, and I do think that this is what happened, the business partner flipped on them because the business partner

who was also on the same loan document, never went to jail, and her and her husband did.

Kelli (44:01.442)
I believe they went to jail. I believe the biggest reason they went to jail is because of bankruptcy fraud. Remember when they were claiming bankruptcy and they were trying to sell everything? They were also trying to hide things. And you will go to prison for that. Especially at that high debt level. I believe that that was the main reason they went to prison and their business partner had nothing to do with that. That guy was not in a bankruptcy.

We Wine Whenever (44:12.159)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (44:31.19)
He wasn't in a bankruptcy, I thought the reason that they went to prison too is because they signed documents, loan documents saying that their income was other than what it was and they were defaulting on those loans and he was on those.

Kelli (44:47.612)
You can't go to prison for saying you make more money than...

We Wine Whenever (44:51.519)
It's fraud. Know that it's fraud. It's fraud. If you lie on a loan document, if you lie on an application, that's absolutely fraud. You absolutely can go to jail for that.

Kelli (44:53.904)
But.

Kelli (45:01.436)
Okay. I believe the, the, the federal, the, the reason they went to jail had more to do with the bankruptcy fraud and what they were trying to hide during their bankruptcy. I'll have to look into it. I've talked to my boss about it he knew his sister is a huge Housewives fan. So when this, I didn't work for him yet, but when this was going on, she was telling him about it. And we've had, we've talked about it. That's the way I understood it.

We Wine Whenever (45:15.799)
I mean, I... yeah.

We Wine Whenever (45:27.007)
Okay, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (45:32.703)
Yeah, I mean, and also, again, I feel bad for her that, you know, Joe did get deported because not for her so much, but for her kids.

Kelli (45:42.798)
I don't think anybody first saw that. Like, I don't think anybody saw that coming. I mean, that was outrageous, outrageous that he got deported over that. I understand it's a legality, but come on. I mean, the appeal after appeal after appeal, how much money she spent, and I give her credit for that. She tried.

We Wine Whenever (45:46.065)
No, no. Right. mean.

Kelli (46:09.052)
That was outrageous. should, I mean, come on, let the man back in the country. Let him, let him do it the right way. Let him do it the right way. Let him come into the country, get a real job, prove it. You know what I mean? Prove himself. Cause at this point he will, let's face it. He's not, you know.

We Wine Whenever (46:13.536)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (46:19.723)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (46:25.012)
Yeah. And she did say she is paying for all the girls college. She's not contributing. She is paying for everything. Right. Melania was was in the Bahamas for Thanksgiving because she went to go visit her dad. Listen, I listened to the interview and I saw a different side of her. That's all I'm saying.

Kelli (46:31.024)
Probably can't. I'm sure she's giving him money.

Kelli (46:52.068)
I have a hard time believing anything that comes out of her mouth, especially while she's still with Louis. Quite honestly.

We Wine Whenever (46:58.42)
Yeah.

Kelli (46:59.534)
I just do. I feel bad. I agree with her that the way Joe and Melissa came on the show was shady. But isn't that more Bravo's fault than anybody's? Bravo did that to you. Not, mean, well, I guess Joe and Melissa did too, but yeah, no, I agree. And I've said it before, that fight at the christening, Joe Gorgow initiated that.

We Wine Whenever (47:15.338)
Yeah, but this is your blood. This is your blood, you know, that's your blood.

Kelli (47:25.18)
100%. He started that fight. He got it to the point where it became physical. I do believe that. But at this point for crying out loud, it's been almost 15 years and you were at a good place with them until this fucking guy came into your life and he got in your ear and he started spinning. And honestly, I feel like Joe Gurga, maybe not Melissa. I mean, I feel like Melissa has too, but people will argue it and that's okay. But

We Wine Whenever (47:52.712)
Right.

Kelli (47:53.208)
I believe that Joe Gorga has proven over the past, however many years they've been on the show, that he is a good brother, he loves his sister, and he does want peace with her. Not now, because of Louis, but I feel like in the past, he's at least proven that.

We Wine Whenever (48:07.816)
Right.

I agree with that. She's also said that she will never, that her and her brother will never reconcile. And I find that to be, I think that they will, because I think Louie's not going to be in the picture. I don't.

Kelli (48:19.42)
They probably won't.

Kelli (48:25.122)
I, that's what I hope happens. I hope that, you know, whatever's going to happen to Louie, whatever Louie's fate is happens quick. And, and he gets out of her life and then hopefully she and Joe can reconcile. But I do think that there's a lot of envy there with Melissa. I think that that probably, but way before the show, I'm sure that Teresa was not an easy person to get along with as a sister-in-law.

We Wine Whenever (48:55.783)
see that. I mean, I can definitely see that. I just also think she surrounds herself with the wrong people.

Kelli (49:00.706)
absolutely, she surrounds herself with yes people who are just gonna yes her to death and tell her that she's always right. For sure.

We Wine Whenever (49:04.607)
Right. Right. And I don't think that, you know, that serves her because she honestly, like I said, is not that bright. She needs someone who's really going to guide her in the right way. I don't think she's ever had that. I don't. I

Kelli (49:18.438)
but she surrounds herself with those people. She can't handle it when somebody tells her she's wrong.

We Wine Whenever (49:24.309)
Or they see that she is

vulnerable and those are the kind of people that you know take advantage of her and when I'm talking about

Kelli (49:38.83)
Even when Andy tries to say something to her about her maybe being right, she doesn't, she doesn't receive it. I don't know what the, I don't know if that's narcissism. I don't know if it's, you know, I don't know what it is.

We Wine Whenever (49:45.364)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (49:51.508)
don't think she's a narcissist. I really don't think she is. don't, like I don't. I she's definitely not. I mean, that's different. Especially when you see like she is a good mom. She's, you know, she's, I don't think you could be the mom that she is and be a narcissist. You just can't be. I mean, she is an awesome mom. think that, again, I know you're not a big fan of Gia's, but I think that her daughters are, you know, they're

Kelli (49:58.212)
She cannot admit she's wrong, ever.

Kelli (50:04.994)
absolutely, absolutely.

Kelli (50:10.3)
Yeah, that's Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:19.838)
going to college, you know, I think that they're gonna be okay. And I think that she, I think that she is there for them 100%. Like I like, I watched, you know, I watched them, I follow Melania. I like watching her and her mom, you know, play together and do fun things. I follow, I mean, I just saw Gabriella was home and they were making pinoli cookies, which I thought was hysterical. You know, like I like,

Kelli (50:25.363)
I think the daughters will be fine. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:47.666)
But that's what I've always said to you. I like to see the family interactions. I like to see her get along with her kids. I would have loved to see her get along with Joe and Melissa, it's not gonna happen, not right now.

Kelli (51:00.816)
Yeah,

We Wine Whenever (51:03.668)
So we'll wait and see what happens. mean...

Kelli (51:05.754)
Yeah, listen, I said it before, how amazing would it be if Bravo could get these two, Joe and Teresa, in a better way? I mean, they'd have to leave Louis out of it. And I don't know if she would agree to that because, and get rid of that slimy ass attorney. That's another thing she's got to do. She's got to lose Louis and James Leonard.

We Wine Whenever (51:18.685)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (51:23.145)
Yes, absolutely.

I 100 % agree with that. That I agree with you on.

Kelli (51:29.444)
Yeah. And I think that would be amazing. Listen, Bravo, do a show about that. Like do that show. Forget everybody else for now. Sorry. Sorry, ladies. But do a show. how many people would tune in to watch a show that tried to mediate Teresa and Joe Gorgug getting back in a good place? Any Bravo fan, whether you're on Melissa's side or Teresa's side, you're going to watch that show.

We Wine Whenever (51:41.758)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (51:59.144)
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I do think, you know, I do think that she earns a place as a queen of Housewives because of how long she's been there, what she's done, what part of her, like she has, I think that she's done a lot on TV. I really do. I think that she's given up a lot. think a lot of it was based on her own stupidity, but I think that

You know, I think that that earns a place in Bravo history. I do.

Kelli (52:30.672)
Well, I don't like it, because I don't like her, but she's got it. She's got the place. I'll never call her a queen. Because I don't think she's a...

I don't think she's a very nice person. So I can't call somebody I don't think is a nice person a queen, but she's definitely made her mark on Bravo. That's for sure. Everybody knows who she is. I'll give her that.

We Wine Whenever (52:55.057)
Yeah, yeah. All right, that's it for now. Listen, if you guys could give us some five star reviews, I would really appreciate that. Thank you.

Kelli (52:57.104)
But let's end it.

Kelli (53:05.5)
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We Wine Whenever (53:10.268)
That's it. Until next time, bye.