RHOBH-A Glitch in the Matrix: Sutton’s Battle and Kyle’s Silence

Wendy (00:00.972)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.806)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:04.643)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:06.636)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 14, episode number 17, season finale, a Caribbean send-off.

Kelli (00:18.015)
Hmm.

Lori (00:18.99)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (00:19.886)
So we pick up on the boat where we left off with Sutton storming away. And Jennifer goes over to her and she brings her a drink. And the two of them are talking. I thought it was interesting because in her confessional, Jennifer says, know, I see Erica's point, but I'm friends with Sutton, so I'm not going to say anything. And then Jennifer says to Sutton, I'm surprised how much these girls don't really like you. I was like.

Lori (00:46.894)
Yeah, how do you like that?

Kelli (00:47.903)
was just surprised at that too, because at first I was like, I'm glad Sutton, I mean, Jennifer acknowledged the fact that, you know, Sutton's not 100 % right, but I'm her friend, so I'm just gonna stand by her, because nobody else is that honest about having their friends' backs on these shows. She was 100 % honest, but yeah, and then she turns around and says, they don't like you, like, that's just not it. No.

Wendy (00:49.518)
Jennifer?

Wendy (00:59.554)
Right.

Wendy (01:09.812)
Right. No, that's not it. It's not it. Actually, it's not it. you know, Erica, not Erica, Garcelle actually was saying the same thing. She kept saying that, you know, Sutton's hands aren't clean in this whole thing either. She has said that many times. Like she has, although she's standing by her, she has said that not so much that she said that she's wrong, but she says her hands aren't clean. She hasn't, you know, she hasn't, you know.

Kelli (01:23.038)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (01:38.074)
I mean, Jennifer, mean, I know she didn't really, I mean, she felt like she really couldn't say anything, but maybe she could have said something like, you know, maybe she could have said like, obviously it's very triggering to Erica, know, bringing back memories for Erica when she didn't feel supported. she could have said something like she didn't have to say.

I agree with your behavior, Santinar. I don't agree, but she could have... You know what mean? just...

Kelli (02:11.411)
Yeah, just acknowledge that they could be feeling a certain way about something. And for what reason, the reason why, yeah. Right.

Wendy (02:11.81)
Right.

Lori (02:15.778)
Yeah, there's just things that you could say besides nothing. Yeah.

Wendy (02:19.348)
Right, right. So then we see Erica jumps off the boat to go swimming because that's the only place she swims is in the Caribbean. Dorit attempted to dive off the boat but not so much.

Kelli (02:32.307)
And Garcelle said, if something brings Erica down, who's going in to get her? And Boz was like, she did one of her.

Lori (02:32.354)
No, but not very graceful.

Wendy (02:36.951)
Yep.

Lori (02:37.21)
you

Wendy (02:40.842)
yep, yep, one of her noises. And Kyle was out there swimming also.

Lori (02:40.954)
Uh-huh.

Kelli (02:42.399)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:50.046)
Boz and Garcelle, they're sitting there talking and Boz says, well, how are we supposed to be a group if two people are on ice? And Garcelle says, we'll see. And Boz did another one of her sounds. like a non-answer answer.

Kelli (03:04.316)
well.

Kelli (03:10.683)
It looks like she has some very great moments at the reunion with her facial expressions and her noises. Did you guys see her on Jimmy Fallon?

Lori (03:17.816)
and our noises we shall see.

Wendy (03:17.848)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:21.942)
I did not, I did not.

Lori (03:22.874)
A little clip, it's a little clip of it.

Kelli (03:24.133)
I only saw a little clip, but he goes, like he runs down her CV basically. And I mean, she's just extremely accomplished. Extremely accomplished.

Wendy (03:31.534)
yeah, I saw that. I did see that.

Lori (03:37.262)
Yes.

Wendy (03:37.462)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Lori (03:41.818)
So I just have a question for you. So this whole thing that's been going on with how Sutton's been feeling, is this, like, do these women, because I'm only watching this two seasons, but is this something that they all do to each other all the time? Like, was Erica supportive of her cast meets, like, when they were going through certain issues? Whereas you could say Sutton was not, or, or, you understand what I'm trying to say?

Kelli (04:10.271)
Personally, I think Erica is always supportive. I think Erica's a girl's girl and always tries to lift her girlfriends up. When Erica's husband was brought up on charges and Erica's involvement with that was still in question, Sutton came hard at her. She was asking questions.

Lori (04:33.358)
Yeah, I saw some of the flashbacks.

Kelli (04:36.051)
that they all wanted answers to, but Sutton was pretty aggressive with it, I would say. I wouldn't have been that aggressive. I would have tried to ask the questions, but not as aggressively as Sutton. That's my personal opinion, but I don't know how Wendy feels.

Lori (04:41.646)
Okay.

Lori (04:48.418)
Okay.

Wendy (04:52.276)
No, I totally agree. has always been there for pretty much everybody. Like she's always had that, you they're back unless you come for her. You know, unless you come for her, because if you come for her, there's, you know, all gloves are off. And that's what you see, because they do play back all the clips in this episode. Like that's what I liked about this episode, to be honest with you, because they do play back all the clips. And, know, Erica, you know, she went back at Sutton hard, but Sutton went in her first.

Kelli (04:58.526)
Yeah.

That's right. That's right.

Kelli (05:11.657)
Me too.

Wendy (05:19.658)
And Sutton should know better than to go after Erica because it's not gonna farewell. It's not gonna farewell.

Kelli (05:24.787)
Right. And Erica painted herself in a pretty poor light when that was all going on. She looked very unsympathetic to the victims, but she was angry and she probably shouldn't have been on the show that season because of everything going on. I mean, it was real litigation. was real, real life litigation.

Wendy (05:36.078)
Well, she was angry. She looked angry and she was.

Wendy (05:43.659)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (05:49.346)
Yeah, and didn't she say that she was drinking a lot and was kind of coped medication and...

Wendy (05:52.802)
The medication, absolutely.

Kelli (05:53.161)
taking medicine, absolutely, absolutely. So nobody needed to do anything to try to make Erica look negative. Exactly. And something just kept coming hard, hard.

Lori (06:02.348)
Any worse than she did, right? Because she did it to herself. okay. Okay.

Wendy (06:06.86)
Yeah, I mean, she even admitted she was in a dark hole. She was in deep depression. She didn't want to leave her house. Like, she was in deep depression and she was coping with alcohol and medication. I mean, she was very honest about that and,

Kelli (06:11.497)
Yeah.

Lori (06:11.928)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:15.005)
Yeah.

Yeah.

I think she's had a pretty decent redemption since then. know, she was humbled and yeah, I do.

Wendy (06:23.758)
I definitely think she's, I love her. I do love, yeah. So then they get back after the boat ride and they're all getting ready. They're back at their villas and they're getting ready for dinner. Kathy's sitting there eating Cheetos. Bo says they need to get ready for a super celebration because it's a birthday dinner for both Erica and Dorie.

Erica's talking to her makeup artist and she says that, you she thinks that she is right, that she doesn't have any ill will towards Sutton. She feels like the others feel the same way. She's just making her opinion known and letting Sutton know, like, this is what you've done to people. Like, I've moved past it, but you're still doing it. You know, you did it to me, you did it to Kyle, now you're doing it to Dory, and we're just calling you out on it. That's all that's happening. And...

Kelli (07:17.821)
Right. Right.

Wendy (07:20.184)
Jennifer's talking to Sutton while they're getting ready and Jennifer said it seemed like they all had their points in line. It seemed like a lawyer, well planned out, like Erica and then Dorit chimed in. And honestly, I think this is where it went wrong, is Jennifer's opinion of what happened. Because when she goes to the other room with them, her and Garcelle start talking about it. And that's not what Sutton said. And they made it seem like it was coming from Sutton.

Which, you I didn't think that was such a great look.

Lori (07:54.232)
And there's nothing wrong with what Erica said on the boat. There's nothing wrong with almost like rehearsing and have your points on point to know what you're gonna say. If you're telling somebody how you feel about something and you know it's probably gonna upset them. There's nothing wrong with knowing what you're talking about and not just saying something, in the minute off the cuff. So yeah, when you're saying something like that to somebody, you better know what the fuck you're talking about.

So I don't think there's anything wrong with knowing what you're talking about. It doesn't mean it's rehearsed or, you know, they were trying to make her out like, what does she think? She's some lawyer bringing all these points. Well, listen, if you're going to say something, you better know what you're saying.

Wendy (08:22.945)
Right. And yeah.

Kelli (08:39.455)
and she was married to a lawyer for 30 years, 20 something years. So you start, your brain starts to work that way. Especially when you're in a group of women filming a reality TV show that you know damn well they're gonna play flashbacks. You do have to know your facts and you do have to have them lined up.

Lori (08:41.871)
Yeah!

Wendy (08:42.037)
Right. Yeah, exactly.

Right.

Lori (08:47.193)
And look!

Wendy (08:55.48)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (08:55.534)
Yeah, you better have your shit together.

Right. And did anybody on that boat stop Erica and say, Hey, you know what? That might be so, but Sutton was really here for me and dot, dot, I don't hear nobody. I don't hear nobody.

Wendy (09:11.47)
Well, that's pretty much Kyle's point because then, Garcelle, Point Blake says to Kyle, you didn't have her back. And Kyle's like, wait, how is this my fault now? And they get to that part later in the episode, but.

Kelli (09:34.527)
understand what Garcelle was saying though. Do you guys?

Wendy (09:38.542)
Listen, I think when Kyle explains it, when she sits down with Garcelle and Jennifer at the beach, the three of them are sitting there at the beach, she said, listen, she actually, the three of us are all friends with her. None of you said anything, none of you. So why all of a sudden am I the one supposed to say something? And then when she spoke to Sutton directly, she said, because Sutton kept trying to cut her off.

Lori (09:38.714)
to an extent.

Kelli (09:47.952)
cut yeah

Wendy (10:08.75)
Cause Sutton said, do you feel that way? Do you feel that way? Is that true? Is that true? And she kept cutting her off and Kyle's like, let me finish. Yes, that is true, but I didn't want to pile on. So she can't defend her in that moment because she felt the same way.

Kelli (10:09.28)
my God, that was infuriating to watch.

Lori (10:10.522)
So annoying.

Kelli (10:24.915)
And the thing is, that Kyle doesn't know, and why would she, how desperately Sutton wants to be her friend and be close with her? Like that's, so that's what I was gonna say. I totally get what Garcelle was saying. I think Garcelle is 100 % right. I just don't think Kyle knows the severity of Sutton's obsession with being her friend.

Wendy (10:50.094)
But again, that's not Kyle's fault. Like, that's not Kyle's problem.

Lori (10:50.328)
You know, no.

Kelli (10:52.031)
100%, 100%. But Garcelle saying it, maybe she's just not saying it right. Who knows, maybe that's why she storms off at the reunion.

Lori (10:59.738)
Great. And on the after show, Jennifer Tilly actually makes an observation and says, points out to Sutton that she feels that Kyle is almost her Reba. Like she needs, she looks to Kyle for that validation and for that friendship. Yeah.

Kelli (11:19.239)
Yes. Yeah. She's very insecure Sutton. She's a very insecure woman. Yes.

Wendy (11:19.468)
validation. Yes.

Wendy (11:24.492)
We've said this though before, we've said that that exact same thing, right?

Kelli (11:28.157)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (11:31.288)
So before that even happens, Garcelle and Jennifer go over to meet everybody. Garcelle says to Sutton, listen, just, I want to bring something up. I don't feel like Kyle was there for you. And that's when Sutton starts crying. She's like, we came so far in Georgia and I don't.

Kelli (11:49.181)
feel like her reaction was a little much.

Lori (11:51.418)
wanted to say, what is this big setback? What is this big setback? What is-

Wendy (11:55.008)
Yeah, she said, yeah, that's what she said a setback.

Kelli (11:57.001)
because she's not, you know, being her soldier, standing up for her.

Wendy (12:00.674)
Right.

Lori (12:01.626)
I was like, what are you even talking, like, where are you going with this? What big setback with your friendship are you talking about? was like, girl, I don't even know what you're talking about.

Kelli (12:04.894)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:09.887)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (12:11.906)
She said they've been wanting to break me for years. Those were her exact words. I'm like, I don't think really that's the case. That's not the case.

Kelli (12:18.207)
It's not. It's not. I mean, she really, or like she hasn't had an issue with, she had an issue with Diana. I mean, in my personal opinion, Diana was a little crazy. She was a one and done on the show. She was a little, you know. That's like a good example to me of somebody just with so much money. Their whole perception of reality is.

Wendy (12:30.45)
Diana was crazy.

Yeah.

Lori (12:42.596)
you often the other.

Wendy (12:43.756)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (12:45.308)
But I think, I mean, other than that, did she have a problem with anybody? Other than her bringing it on.

Wendy (12:49.55)
Well, she's had a little... Well, I mean, she's had a problem with Dorit for a long time. I mean, they've never been close. I just think it's interesting that her and Garcelle just hit it off.

Kelli (13:03.849)
They did. And what's really gonna be interesting is next season without Garcelle on it, like who's, you know, who she got? Well, Jennifer Tilly.

Lori (13:05.476)
Well, on the after show.

Yeah, oh yeah. Gonna hang with, yeah. Yeah, on the after show, Dorit was even so far as to say that when Garcelle and Sutton came on at the same time and that Garcelle really did not care for Sutton and then Garcelle had some fundraiser for Haiti and Sutton bought like this $25,000 table and then after that,

Wendy (13:33.337)
yes, that's right.

Yes.

Lori (13:39.746)
She got invited to Garcelle's New Year's Eve party and then after that they were friends. So, Dorit was like, well, just saying that she buys her friendships and I was like,

Kelli (13:47.144)
Interesting.

Wendy (13:52.693)
you

Kelli (13:53.001)
So who asked who, where'd you get your money? Garcelle asked Sutton, where'd you get your money? And Sutton did not like that.

Lori (13:58.146)
Yes. Mm-hmm. Yes, you did. And I think too, the thing with Kyle and what Garcelle is saying is there is like a double standard for Kyle. mean, Kyle's the one who brought up the whole alcoholic thing to begin with, because she was the one that started, she said that comment, you know, when they were at Kyle's house. I don't know how many drinks you're on, if this is your fifth drink or whatever. And then...

Wendy (13:58.392)
Yes, she did. Yes, she did.

No, she didn't.

Wendy (14:24.76)
But that was two seasons ago.

Kelli (14:24.905)
She did. Right. Before Dorit said anything last season, that's the point. Kyle brought it up first. Yes. Yes, she did.

Lori (14:27.402)
Right, but what I'm saying is, but then... Right, right. That's what I'm saying. Now Dorit's comment was not as eloquent and it doesn't have as much crafty shade as Kyle's did. She was a little more blunt saying like...

Wendy (14:31.969)
Right, right.

Kelli (14:47.359)
think that's pretty blunt. I don't know what drink you're on. Your first or your fifth.

Lori (14:51.418)
Yeah, Dorit implied that she drinks first thing in the morning. it's a little rougher, but I guess Garcella is like, so why are you... You know what I mean? There's a double standard. Kyle's the one who said it to begin with, said basically the same thing, maybe in a nicer way, but Dorit's getting pounded and Kyle's not. So I think that's kind of where...

Kelli (14:56.541)
Yeah, she puts vodka in her coffee.

Kelli (15:14.941)
Right. She brought up her drinking.

Lori (15:21.26)
ourselves coming from a little bit too.

Kelli (15:23.343)
Even the scene when Kyle, the name him, name him, name him scene. Her drinking was in question then and it was with Kyle. And that was before, was that last season? Maybe that wasn't before Dorit said what she said. think that was two seasons ago, right?

Wendy (15:27.662)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (15:31.332)
Absolutely.

Wendy (15:34.97)
No, think that was at least, well, Crystal was there. So wait, this is Crystal's first season not there. So Crystal was there. It was after Crystal's birthday. It was after they went to Vegas. It was the whole Vegas thing with the, she wore pants and the magic mic.

Kelli (15:43.57)
It is.

Kelli (15:52.632)
god. my god, that was so crazy.

Wendy (15:55.618)
Like that's what it was about. It was about that whole big blow up there.

Kelli (15:59.495)
So I think that was two seasons ago.

Wendy (16:01.973)
Yeah.

Lori (16:02.882)
And then they show Kyle calling Sutton a bitch twice. And then we had the name-um thing with telling her she loses her shit in ridiculous circumstances.

Kelli (16:16.69)
Well, listen Sutton said to her you've already lost two sisters. Do you want to lose another one? Like first of all fuck you Sutton You're not my sister and fuck you Sutton because don't don't talk about my relationship with my sisters on television Because you don't know Kathy wasn't there because that actually was when Kyle and Kathy weren't talking It's before they before they started talking again, which which is even worse because that means that Sutton was talking to Kathy

Wendy (16:20.99)
Right. Right.

Lori (16:21.476)
That was crazy. Yeah. Right.

Wendy (16:30.594)
And Kathy was standing right there. Yeah, right. I know.

Wendy (16:37.581)
she wasn't there? Okay. Okay, before they got back together. Okay.

Lori (16:37.614)
Yeah, no, she wasn't there. No, she wasn't there. Yeah.

Wendy (16:46.498)
Right.

Kelli (16:46.993)
and brought that up on TV. I mean, she's done some shitty things, Sutton.

Wendy (16:49.975)
Yeah.

The interesting thing is, like you said, so she's been friends with Cathy this whole time, right? So when she had that little fit on the boat, Cathy's the one that went over to her. She didn't accept Cathy. When she is having the other little fit, Cathy's the one that goes over to her. And she's like, just call me a Barbie. Like Cathy is the one who is trying to be there for her and she's not accepting it. So it's like...

Kelli (17:02.345)
She did.

Kelli (17:14.941)
Yeah. Yeah. So it really is a Kyle thing.

Wendy (17:21.13)
Yeah, which is not Kyle's problem. It's Sutton's problem.

Kelli (17:25.191)
And I don't think Kyle understands the depths of it because it's a little abnormal.

Wendy (17:29.474)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (17:34.063)
It's a little weird. It's a little stalkery. Right?

Kelli (17:36.787)
Yeah, like the only person I'm gonna get pissed off at for not having my back is Eric.

Like I don't care what I do, what I say, you know. And trust me, he does not always have my back. He will tell me when I'm wrong and it irks me to no end.

Lori (17:45.113)
Bye.

Wendy (17:49.271)
Right.

Wendy (17:54.35)
Hmm.

Lori (17:54.506)
Right. Well, we know how that... Right.

Wendy (18:00.536)
But in public, he has your back. And that's really what it's about, you know? Calling you out on your shit, yeah.

Kelli (18:02.271)
100%.

Yes, but if one of my girlfriends really didn't agree with what I was doing, I'm not gonna break down over it, I don't think.

Wendy (18:10.648)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:16.13)
Yeah, I don't know. Her reaction is not normal.

Lori (18:17.754)
Well, look, this is, but this is a thing. This is a thing. If somebody calls you a bitch a couple of times, if somebody tells you, the fuck up, if somebody tells you that you kick people when they're down, if people keep saying these things to you.

Kelli (18:19.559)
It wasn't normal.

Lori (18:37.588)
Maybe you want to think about it a little bit. Just a little self-reflection, like maybe instead of turning into everybody's against me, everybody hates me, I'm going to go eat worms. Maybe you could look at it and say, well, maybe.

Kelli (18:40.617)
Yeah, like maybe you, maybe.

Wendy (18:46.51)
What?

Wendy (18:57.464)
Well, the funny thing is that you say that because I'm gonna jump a little bit because she does say that she does some self-reflection when her and Bo's go out and they go to the chocolatier and they're making chocolate. And she says to Bo's, let me just find it. She says to Bo's, I don't have much to but she says, I have done a little bit of all these people. I have looked inside myself and I see that.

I see what's going on with these other women and I imagine that they look at me and of course they have a problem with it. Of course they feel bad, meaning that she's up here.

Kelli (19:35.455)
Well, that, see that, think that's the problem with Sutton.

Lori (19:38.502)
Sutton says, yeah, I have to take better care. That's what she kept saying. But basically what she was saying is that she feels that the other women are attacking her because she's in a stable place in her life. that she has finally, well, she's, yeah, basically I'm thinking, yeah. No, no.

Wendy (19:38.88)
Well that's... Yeah.

Oh, here it is, here it is, right here. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (19:54.848)
Right. Right.

Kelli (19:56.019)
financially, it's all financial with her.

Wendy (20:00.194)
Right.

Kelli (20:00.723)
Because other than that, is she stable? Honestly, right. Like God bless you, Sutton. You get $300,000 a month from your divorce. God bless you. But you are still clearly a very insecure person that you have to vie for these friendships. So she is a very materialistic person.

Wendy (20:03.274)
No, no.

Wendy (20:28.471)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:28.551)
She's putting money before anything and she must feel like they're envious of her, but I don't think they are.

Lori (20:33.774)
But maybe she's done that because that's the only place that she was able to find validation. And to me that's, right, and to me that's sad. Like I feel bad that she feels that way about herself.

Kelli (20:41.831)
Yeah, that's the only, she's confident in her financial stability.

Very sad.

Kelli (20:55.4)
Of course, it's very sad.

Wendy (20:57.816)
So actually I found my notes on this. What she says, I thought this was actually one of her better lines when Bo says to Sutton, you know, about last night, I want to know what your thoughts are. And Sutton said, well, it reminds me of the Jackie Kennedy quote, if I tell you my thoughts, then they're no longer my thoughts. And I was like, I didn't expect, I do too. I did not expect that from Sutton to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (21:17.15)
love that.

Kelli (21:21.151)
I didn't either, but I do love that quote. I'm glad you said it.

Wendy (21:23.552)
And Boz, yeah, Boz was impressed too. I mean, I could see that she was impressed. And she said, you know, Erica, Erica and I have had discussions in the past about what happened and she didn't show any animosity towards me. Like we had moved past that. She said, I thought things were good and that Boz said, well, she had mentioned it to me that, you know, what had happened, you know, so it's definitely something that was still out there. Isn't it good that at least she got it out?

and Sutton said, well, yeah, that's fine, but I thought about it and Erica herself was down and then Kyle and Dorit were after her and asking the same questions I was. And that's when she goes on to say, it's strange that there's a double standard or a triple standard because not only were they asking the questions, their husbands were making fun of Erica.

Kelli (22:13.439)
my god, that flashback. And you know what? She's absolutely right. That still fucking cracks me up what PK said though.

Wendy (22:18.518)
Well, she, the.

I know, listen, first of all, they were high as a kite. Not that that's an excuse. They were as high as a kite. They didn't know, they didn't really know it in context. It would be like, if we're hearing that story and we're high as a kite, we'd be like, my gosh, what do we treat the brain or the foot? Like we would say this, save the foot. But the thing is, the difference about that is when they,

Kelli (22:26.009)
Absolutely.

Kelli (22:35.5)
my God.

Kelli (22:39.779)
No, no, no, save the foot. He's like, he's not a professional soccer player.

So funny.

Wendy (22:52.236)
were called on it, every single one of them apologized. They apologized. They were sorry. Absolutely. They were remorseful. Like they were remorseful. And that's the thing with Sutton is she doesn't own anything. Like she doesn't own anything. And I just think it's interesting. You know, that's when she says it's a double standard or a triple standard, which you guys were just saying the same thing, but on the other side, right?

Kelli (22:55.487)
I Absolutely. Even the husbands, right? Even Mo and P.K. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (23:08.319)
Mm-mm.

Lori (23:19.342)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (23:19.562)
And then she said, that's when I had my come to Jesus moment and Bozeman was like, well, what was that? Well, I said, Jesus, like, look at where these women are. And I had to look at my life and I thought about that. And I said, well, you know, them looking at me, like, what is that? And then Bozeman makes her noise. And she said, so you think you're up here? And she said, no, no, I need to take care better. I think the allegiance from Kyle goes to those two. So again, she specifically said, I think the allegiance from Kyle goes to those two. Again, this is

Kelli (23:48.543)
She's just hyper focusing on Kyle.

Wendy (23:50.734)
This is all her issue. It is nobody else's. And she's still not seeing it, even after she repeats it.

Kelli (23:59.943)
You know, it's interesting because it could be, I mean, we all know certain people join shows and then they realize who they think the head person is and they know if they stay in their good graces, they're probably gonna stay on the show. So this could be about the show, but for some reason, I don't think it's about the show.

Wendy (24:23.127)
No, I don't either.

Kelli (24:23.443)
Like, obviously people would come onto Beverly Hills thinking that Kyle's the, you know, the head person of Beverly Hills and try to stay in her good graces. I personally think that that's what Erica does. I think Erica's a good friend, but I think that Erica is very smart and strategic and knows if she stays in Kyle's good graces, her chances of staying on the show are better. But for some, one absolutely,

Lori (24:47.139)
But not to the point of ass kissing, though. That's a difference. You can be strategic without being an ass kiss.

Kelli (24:52.475)
Absolutely, but for some reason with Sutton, yeah, yeah. Yeah, just, you know, listen, she's learning how to play the game. She's playing it well. But for some reason with Sutton, I don't think that's what this is. It's something different with Sutton and Kyle.

Lori (25:04.314)
Mm-mm, no.

Wendy (25:09.144)
Yeah, I mean, it's with Sutton though. know, Kyle is just a, you know.

Lori (25:09.518)
Well, yeah.

I think.

Kelli (25:14.495)
don't even think Kyle realizes it's going on.

Wendy (25:17.058)
Well, she doesn't because Garcelle said to Kyle, like, I don't think you realize you are the hero in her story. And she's like, what? Like, how? How can, like, what are you talking about?

Lori (25:17.156)
No.

Kelli (25:24.499)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (25:24.824)
Right. Right. Yeah.

Because I think Jennifer Tilly is right. I think she has somehow put the persona of her mother in some way onto Kyle. And that's how she operates. I that's exactly, I Jennifer Tilly is absolutely right on that.

Kelli (25:41.78)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:46.772)
Yeah. So then they go out to the party and there's steel drums there. No, we're not at that party yet. This is the birthday. No, this is Erica's party. Erica and Dorit's birthday party. Yeah, we're not at the carnival yet. Because Sutton shows up a little bit later, right? So Sutton shows up.

Kelli (25:52.297)
The outfits were amazing.

Kelli (25:57.513)
We're not at the part with the... that's right, that's right. We're not at the carnival yet.

Lori (26:00.666)
Yeah, Erica's part, yeah.

Kelli (26:10.079)
and Kathy Pizorpan.

Wendy (26:12.362)
Yes, but the interesting thing is before before Kathy tinkled in her pants, when Kyle when she was getting ready, Kyle said, Kathy, what are you wearing? She said shorts and a t shirt and the look on Kyle's face.

Lori (26:13.338)
Kathy.

Lori (26:23.05)
What was that?

Kelli (26:24.499)
And I laughed. I'm like, huh, right. And then she really walked out in shorts and a t-shirt.

Wendy (26:26.956)
Yeah, but and then when she came out she was wearing this green Versace t-shirt that was all wrinkled and all disheveled Her hair looked like she didn't even I mean honestly she looked ill. I really thought she looked ill I know she said she was hot but her hair was a mess like she she didn't look like she like she put the clip in it But it wasn't even really combed right

Kelli (26:40.234)
really?

Lori (26:48.09)
Yeah, I don't know what you, I don't know what you had going on.

Kelli (26:50.077)
It just cracks me up that Boz and who else? Sutton had their assistants there and Cathy's the one who really needs her assistant on these trips. Like, just send Cathy's assistant.

Lori (26:59.412)
Yes, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (26:59.566)
That's a fact! That is a fact!

Wendy (27:07.254)
Yeah, she definitely needs an assistant because, you know, she's got the rag around her neck and then she asks the guy for ice and she's sticking it underneath her armpits. And then she's like, I gotta go to the bathroom. And then she comes back and I have tinkle in my pants. Wait, what?

Lori (27:07.683)
Yes, please do.

Kelli (27:16.263)
Under the arms. Amazing.

Kelli (27:25.171)
I know they're like, ooh wardrobe change. She's like, well, I peed my pants.

Wendy (27:28.654)
And Boz made another noise.

Lori (27:32.879)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:33.488)
Wendy (27:37.23)
This is why I love Cathy Hilton. I really do

Kelli (27:40.733)
Listen, I'm not gonna lie. I'm in a different place with Kathy Hilton this season.

Wendy (27:49.23)
We're kind of jumping all over a bit, but I just wanted to mention this. when Garcelle and Jennifer came in and Jennifer announced that there was the glitch in the Matrix, what really bothered Erica about this whole thing was the fact that they thought it was a coordinated effort, that, you she planned this and that really bothered Erica. It's not about anything else and she brings it up more than once during this episode.

because she talks to Dorit about it. She's like, this is what really bothers me. And then at the very end, she brings it up again because she lets them know that, listen, I went and I talked to Sutton and Sutton didn't say that. So which one of you, and she points to Garcelle and Jennifer, which one of you came up with that? Because that is the only thing that bothered her.

Kelli (28:41.503)
Right.

Wendy (28:41.866)
It was her integrity. Like, don't think I need someone to come in here. I don't need an orchestrated plan. If I have something to say, these are my feelings and I'm going to say them. Good for you, Erica. That's what we want in a housewife, you know? We want, you want you to do your own work. We don't, you know? And Dory just validated it because she felt the same way. That's all that happened.

Kelli (28:52.009)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (29:05.087)
Well that's it, she just kind of agreed with her.

Wendy (29:07.616)
Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (29:12.179)
Who did anybody say me? I'm like.

Wendy (29:12.398)
So Jennifer starts talking first. Let me skip to it, because I just said we're going all over, but I feel like we have to finish this part of it, because it's going to be, it happens in Carnival.

Kelli (29:24.359)
and by the way, I want to see proof of an IQ test where Sutton's 140.

Lori (29:30.778)
140.

Kelli (29:33.075)
I wanna see proof, bravo.

Lori (29:35.098)
And you know, she went from like crying to weirdly saying that about the IQ of 140. It was like two totally different personalities, like crying, crying, crying. And then the 140 comment, it was very odd.

Kelli (29:51.412)
Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. I just don't think she's cut out for this, I just don't think she's cut out for the housewife. And I don't think I would be either. I'm not saying that I would do any better of a job. I would be a hot mess. Plus my bank accounts would not. before the end of this episode, let's talk about Bethany Frankel and what she said about Real Housewives of New Jersey too.

Lori (30:05.42)
No.

Wendy (30:10.478)
So that, no, I mean, those bank accounts.

Lori (30:13.9)
No, your world is not up to par.

Lori (30:19.938)
Okay, we will. We'll get to

Wendy (30:20.438)
Okay. So what, so Jennifer answered and

Jennifer said, I feel bad that they made you feel bad. Erica said, I had a conversation with Sutton and she said that this isn't how she felt. And then it was a little bit silent for a minute. And then Garcelle said, Erica Jane, you and I are building our friendship and we have come a long way. And if that's what you say, I believe it. And then it just dropped right there. It just dropped, yep.

Kelli (30:48.881)
It does drop, right?

Wendy (30:52.416)
And then that's when the carnival, like then the firewalkers come out. like that was at the very end. Like that was like the really like the last word of it, you know, because then they just were kind of celebrating.

Wendy (31:04.781)
All right. Let me go back.

Kelli (31:06.385)
Yeah, we got to go back because then all of a sudden at that dinner after Cathy comes back and says she peed her pants, somehow they start doing impersonations of each other.

Wendy (31:17.546)
Yes. Well, it was the-

Lori (31:18.136)
I think Jennifer Tilly asked, somebody asked somebody if they're good at doing impressions.

Wendy (31:25.59)
Is that how it started?

Kelli (31:25.771)
Kyle is Kyle is good at impressions. Like she does a great Teddy Did she do Jennifer Tilly? Kyle?

Lori (31:34.938)
Somebody did. Somebody did Jennifer Tilly first. Yeah, somebody did Jennifer Tilly first. And then somebody picked up and did Sutton. And then once the Sutton thing started, then I did feel a little bad for her because then everybody was doing Sutton. But then...

Kelli (31:36.061)
I think that's how it started, because Kyle really is good at that.

Kelli (31:51.647)
Well, and who was Sutton trying to do, Erica?

Lori (31:54.582)
No, she was just trying to do herself.

Wendy (31:54.966)
No, she was saying, I don't talk like that. I don't talk like that. don't talk like That's all she kept doing.

Lori (32:02.52)
Yeah. Yeah, she was doing a bad, she was doing a bad Southern impression of herself saying, like, I don't talk like that. That's what she was doing.

Kelli (32:03.78)
okay, I didn't, I wasn't following that.

Wendy (32:05.165)
Yeah.

Wendy (32:08.738)
Yes.

Wendy (32:13.056)
Mm-hmm. Right. And it was very awkward. It was very awkward, that whole part.

Kelli (32:21.051)
extremely awkward.

Wendy (32:23.094)
Yeah. And then the birthday cakes came out and that's kind of what ended it. The birthdays came out. Yeah. With the pictures, the pictures of the girls on them.

Kelli (32:27.401)
Those cakes were great though. Those cakes were great.

Did you guys see Boz's yellow Chanel pocketbook that looked like a box?

Wendy (32:39.939)
I missed it. I missed it.

Lori (32:40.216)
No, I use it less.

Kelli (32:41.767)
You gotta look that up. Listen, I like my bags, don't get me wrong, but I'm obviously not buying Chanel. So I don't pay particular attention to these women's bags because I know I'll never be able to afford it. But you have to look up the yellow Chanel bag Bo's hat. Really, really cute.

Wendy (32:53.494)
I do. I can't believe I missed it.

Okay.

Wendy (33:04.662)
All right, I definitely will. So then they all, after the cake comes out, Sutton's like, I'm gonna go to bed, like she's leaving, but they're all leaving, so then they all go to bed. And then The Last Days is where Boz takes Sutton to the chocolatier and they have that whole conversation. And then Jennifer and Garcelle and Kyle are sitting at the beach and Garcelle asks Kyle if she posted her thirst trap yet.

And she says, no. And Jennifer says, hers is up to 100,000 likes. And now she knows what Instagram. Yeah, it was a good picture. Now she knows.

Lori (33:36.026)
That was a good picture.

Kelli (33:38.729)
was great picture. And by the way, Jennifer's pink lipstick on the beach, I haven't stopped thinking about it since. that will be my mission to find out what lipstick she was wearing.

Wendy (33:43.235)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (33:46.018)
Okay. That's fine, I'm penguin. I loved her sunglasses. my God. The ones Jennifer Tilly had on, they were awesome. Yes.

Wendy (33:48.152)
to find that.

Wendy (33:52.546)
The white ones?

Kelli (33:54.879)
Thank you.

Wendy (33:56.258)
The white ones? Yeah. And then they're talking about last night and that's when, you know, Garcelle tells her that, you know, she's the hero. Then Garcelle asks Kyle, you know, after what Beau said about, you know, running into Mo with the girl, like, does that make you want to do something? And Kyle's like, well, no, it doesn't make me like want to run out and get a divorce.

And Jennifer then went on to say, well, my ex, know, who, you know, when we broke up, we had $700,000 in our account. And someone told me that I need to get a lawyer. And then kind of like, well, did you get more than 350? She goes, yeah, I did. I got Simpson money. I can't buy these diamonds with Chucky money. Chucky money.

Kelli (34:47.327)
She said, I'm not buying these diamonds with Chuck E money. That was great.

Wendy (34:52.398)
Chuckie money just pays for my snacks is what you said. I hope that resonated with Kyle to be quite honest with you. I hope that does, you know?

Kelli (35:00.063)
That was great.

Lori (35:05.774)
Yeah. Hopefully.

Kelli (35:08.223)
I mean, again, I mean, he can always drain a bank account, but everything Moe accomplished was after they got married. So I believe Kyle is just entitled to half of everything, but it doesn't mean he can't drain a bank account before that.

Wendy (35:19.33)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:22.702)
You put the simps-

I mean, he must have done Simpsons when she was with him, if she got a piece of Simpsons.

Kelli (35:31.487)
I think he put that in his will. I don't know. I mean, think about how long the Simpsons have been around.

Wendy (35:35.432)
No, because she had it. I know. I know.

Lori (35:39.524)
Her royalties from Simpsons must have been in Perttuiti. So it wasn't just while he was alive, it was been after, you know. Yeah. And she got a piece of her, yeah.

Wendy (35:44.108)
Yeah, perpetuity, absolutely, but I'm just saying.

Wendy (35:49.942)
Right, she got a piece of it. Like he got his piece of it, she got her piece of it, right. So she had to be there when he started it is what I'm saying, right, in order for her to get a piece of it.

Kelli (35:52.094)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:03.579)
unless he just designated it in his will. Unless he, or in their divorce decree. That's, yeah, in their divorce decree because they were divorced before he passed.

Lori (36:03.724)
It depends.

Yeah.

Wendy (36:07.062)
No, no, because she had it.

But why would it be, yeah, but why would it be in the divorce decree that she got a piece of Simpsons? But if she didn't do it, if he didn't do Simpsons while he was married to her, why would he be offering it to That's what I'm saying.

Kelli (36:15.955)
because he was offering it to her.

Kelli (36:25.627)
I'm thinking he did it before they even got married. Think about how long the Simpsons, I was in high school when the Simpsons came out.

Lori (36:25.735)
he must have been doing it.

Wendy (36:31.554)
But it's still, yeah, but it was still running, like even when they got, like it's been, so he started it before, and still was doing it.

Kelli (36:36.477)
Yeah, yeah, so he, I think he started it before they got together and then when they got divorced, he gave her a piece of it in their divorce agreement.

Wendy (36:47.426)
Right.

Kelli (36:48.851)
That's what I, that's, I don't know why, but that's what I thought happened.

Wendy (36:53.174)
Yeah, that's probably it. Then we see Erika and Dorithe are talking about how, you know, they actually would like to move forward with Sutton. Like they don't think she's always a bitch. She's not, you know, constantly mean-spirited. Like, you know, they want to give her a chance. Then they talk about the carnival. And did you see them when they got dressed? And did you see Dorithe trying to twerk?

Kelli (37:18.409)
Doreen should never twerk again. And I can't dance to save my life.

Wendy (37:22.99)
Yeah.

Lori (37:23.29)
I was just going to say, Dreat twerks about as good as I can twerk, which is not at all.

Kelli (37:27.007)
yeah, don't twerk anymore, Dory.

Lori (37:31.332)
This is funny.

Wendy (37:31.584)
Yep. That was so funny. And what about Jennifer Tilly trying to gyrate?

Lori (37:38.36)
So cute.

Kelli (37:40.479)
That's the thing, Jennifer Tilly's so damn cute, she could do anything. She could probably have twerked just as bad as Dory and we would have been like, oh, well, she gave it her best shot.

Wendy (37:44.302)
Absolutely.

Wendy (37:48.407)
Yeah, yeah.

Lori (37:48.984)
And she was funny. Did you hear when she said, it's a good thing that I've played the part of a stripper before.

Kelli (37:54.941)
Yes.

Lori (37:58.586)
you

Wendy (37:59.668)
Erica's like, these other girls don't know what they're doing. And I mean, she was probably right. mean, nobody could have rocked those feathers in that outfit like Erica Jane. I mean, she wore it like... She said that was her dream. That was her dream.

Lori (38:08.356)
Well, that she was in her element. mean, that's her. Yeah, that's her persona in a nutshell.

Kelli (38:13.597)
Yeah, she looked good. I mean, Boze was barely wearing anything. She had like dental floss on. Boze, Dorit, and Erica really looked amazing.

Lori (38:19.35)
anything at all. bless you.

Wendy (38:20.78)
I know.

Wendy (38:25.838)
they did in the after show, Dorit said she to take hers home and Boz is like, what are gonna do? Yeah, she bought it. She's like, what are gonna do? it to the supermarket? She's like, I don't care. Like I felt so good in it. Good for her. I mean, she looked amazing. She looked amazing. She looked amazing. Wear it to the supermarket, I dare you.

Lori (38:31.418)
Yeah, she bought it. She bought it.

Kelli (38:40.285)
Yeah, she looked great! Amazing. Yeah.

Exactly. Absolutely.

Lori (38:46.65)
You're right.

Lori (38:50.202)
Now, the whole time when you were saying the whole thing about Kathy kind of championing Sutton, you see where in like the confessional, or maybe it was on the after show, I don't know, Kathy was saying how it took a lot of courage. She felt it took a lot of courage for Sutton to come down to dinner when it was the girl's birthday after the boat thing. And Kathy was like, you know what, might not have been a big deal for other people, but she knew it was a big...

Wendy (39:13.666)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (39:20.332)
a big deal for Sun. So it is true.

Wendy (39:20.43)
deal for Sutton.

Kelli (39:22.141)
It's true. It's true. She showed up because in the past other housewives wouldn't have. So, good for her.

Wendy (39:28.908)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:32.236)
No, I agree with that. I agree with that.

Wendy (39:39.31)
So then the firewalkers come out and the stilt walkers and they're all dancing in the beautiful colors. And then they start to give us their closing lines, right? So it starts with Garcelle, continues to call the shots on her sets, but her favorite role is grandma to Oliver's new daughter, Valley. Then we do, yes, yes.

Kelli (40:01.993)
God, he's doing well.

Wendy (40:06.776)
Bosma has started her fertility journey with Keely, choosing the natural route to start. And Keely finally gave Boze what she was waiting for, and I love you, which is nice. Sutton and Dorit's relationship remains on ice, but Sutton's relationship with Reba is warming up and better than ever. Interesting that they didn't mention her relationship with Kyle, right? Since that was a big part of it.

Lori (40:32.814)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (40:37.262)
Kyle's is Kyle and Mauricio continue their stalemate over their next steps, but Kyle remains open to love in her life.

Kelli (40:45.779)
Yet she wants to avoid the paparazzi. That's a fucking joke. That's a joke.

Wendy (40:57.264)
you don't think she does?

Kelli (40:57.447)
I mean, come on, Kyle.

Lori (41:02.168)
Now, what was it at the end? they have like little confessionals at the end too? Where, cause I wrote down that Sutton says, how she could, be a better friend and then production pans to like a picture of Kyle. That was interesting.

Wendy (41:20.354)
No, that is interesting.

Kelli (41:20.604)
really? Cause Sutton said she wishes she could change her friendship with Dorit, right?

Lori (41:24.802)
Right, she says that's things that they all say at the end, but when Sutton says, you know, I could be a better friend, it's funny because production pans, it has a picture of Kyle.

Wendy (41:25.708)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:33.474)
picture of Kyle. So Dorit says, Dorit and PK currently have no plans to rekindle their relationship, but they are working on co-parenting better. And Dorit is considering filtering PK's emails to her junk folder. And then we didn't have Erica's yet, but then we see one month later and they show you, it was weird. I don't like how they did this. One month later, they show us.

Kelli (41:35.933)
Interesting.

Kelli (41:57.565)
It's so stupid, like, bravo, we get it, it's your new formula, pick the cameras back up, but nobody gives a shit about Tom Girardi sentencing. It's, picking the cameras back up is, it's old, it's done, it's played out.

Wendy (42:05.858)
Yeah, it was weird.

Wendy (42:13.74)
Yep. So one month later, Erica's talking to Kyle and that on August 27th, Tom was found guilty on four counts of wire fraud. Kyle being the good friend said when she heard about that, she was immediately concerned for Erica and she knew it was going to be hard. I thought it was very interesting that Erica said, and it's not surprising that before the verdict, she was feeling really good. Like she was enjoying her life because we kind of saw that.

And then she felt herself slipping back down into that hole, like immediately. And I know, I know. this is, that's when she needs her friends though. That is when like she needs someone to make sure she doesn't get back in that hole and she keeps moving forward. And she also said that, you know, it's not over, it's still not over. And...

Kelli (42:45.555)
Yeah. Well, that's what happens. It's like reliving it.

Wendy (43:05.726)
She doesn't have to apologize for her feelings because no one lived in that house with her. The two of us have their incredible memories and their terrible memories. She wishes things were different, but you know, this is her life and she doesn't have to apologize for it. And then her ending thing is Erica still hasn't spoken to Tom since the verdict, but her career continues to rise. She reprised the role of Roxy Hart on Broadway and is booked to headline the mighty hoopla.

Festival in London this summer. I don't know what that is, but I bet you it's fun

Kelli (43:37.023)
Yeah.

Lori (43:38.17)
You know, I'm not honest. Yeah.

Kelli (43:39.377)
sure it's fabulous. Yeah.

Lori (43:41.594)
Yeah.

Wendy (43:43.742)
So next week is the reunion. I think it's going to be explosive.

Kelli (43:47.615)
Yeah, we'll see what happens.

Well, Carcell walks off, so something good happens.

Wendy (43:53.832)
Well, we, yeah, we knew Garcelle walked off and then we find out that Garcelle resigns. You know, she puts out her statement and we see, so I'm sure you saw Boz and Boz. watch what happens live. was Erica. I, they did look a little bit, they did look a little bit like Mean Girls. Well, because Andy asked them, you know, what were your thoughts about, you know,

Kelli (43:58.953)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (43:59.608)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:06.889)
I did not watch what happens live with Erica, but I heard they, I read where they looked like mean girls. That's all I read.

Lori (44:09.985)
No, I didn't watch either.

Wendy (44:23.554)
Garcelle resigning. And at first they were really kind of silent. And then Eric was like, well, we knew because she left the reunion, she didn't take the final picture with us. Like we knew she wasn't coming back. And Andy was like, well, I didn't really know until last week when she came to watch What Happens Live. And she had told him, like they sat down before Watch What Happens Live. But basically what they're saying is, well, you know that that's what happens. If you walk off a reunion and you like refuse to take a picture and then

some Andy said, Kyle didn't take the ending picture one time. And Eric was like, that's Kyle. But it's not that she left. It's not that she left. It's not that she walked off.

Lori (45:00.952)
Let's go.

Kelli (45:03.145)
There you go.

Yeah, but it's different treatment. mean, listen, we've said it before, Andy treats Kyle differently. He treats, you know, Teresa Giudice differently. I'm sure there are plenty more, but those are the two that stick out in my head. He just treats them differently. He treats Joe Gorga differently.

Wendy (45:13.613)
Right.

Wendy (45:20.074)
No, he does. mean, he does. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (45:26.237)
He's got his favorites. That's it. Kyle's one of them, for sure.

Wendy (45:30.318)
I do think though that Garcelle really has a big blow up with Bosma. I don't think it's just, I think it's her and Bosma have a big falling out because then even after Watch What Happens Live, did you guys see on Instagram what Bosma had posted to Garcelle? Oh, you didn't see it. She had posted, let me find it. She,

Kelli (45:46.558)
No.

Wendy (45:58.274)
basically said like I wish you would have come back. I wish you would have given this a chance. She wrote something very nice and actually people were like always a marketer because it was very bad ass pose. Yeah. What should happen? And she even says, she even said like although even though I was a little snarky on Watch What Happens Live and now I don't see it's not on her page.

Lori (46:13.931)
People are saying, didn't you say that at Watch What Happens Live?

Kelli (46:20.895)
Good point.

Kelli (46:27.369)
Well, listen, if Erica was sitting there being snarky, she's sitting there with Erica, she's gonna follow suit. I mean, she doesn't strike me as a follower, Boz, don't get me wrong, but I think anyone sitting in that seat would probably, you know, just kinda go with it. Yeah.

Wendy (46:31.082)
Right. Right.

Lori (46:37.07)
Right, right.

Lori (46:44.129)
with the flower, what's going on.

Wendy (46:44.352)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically what she said is that, you know, you know, we had some good times. I really wish you would have stuck it out and, you know, we could have been like this powerhouse friendship or something like that. And

Lori (46:58.458)
But how about Garcelle posting, not all skinfolk are kinfolk.

Wendy (47:03.726)
Well, she posted that after the reunion. She posted that right after the reunion, before any of this. That's why I think it has to do with those two, a lot of the walk-off. Yeah, because she did post that.

Kelli (47:05.673)
Did she really?

Lori (47:07.384)
Yeah. Yeah. I think that was a little, that was a little, that was a little much.

Kelli (47:13.407)
a little much.

Kelli (47:21.279)
Clearly. Clearly.

Lori (47:24.152)
And you know what the end and I feel like that is.

Not that I'm some big Gorsal basher, because I was really ambivalent about her either way. I think she was fine. But I think that that's very unfortunate that she posted that, because I think that there's a possibility that she could have had her departure from the show, the focus, not so blatantly be on the fact that there were...

Kelli (47:34.776)
We Garcelle before this season.

Lori (47:56.314)
two black women on the show and now there's only one or pitting them against each other or I think it I think that comment really added to the perceived race element of Garcelle leaving the show because there is a race element to it online there is there's a lot of people who are saying you know oh you know

Kelli (48:19.711)
What do mean?

Lori (48:25.87)
there couldn't be two strong black characters on the show and, know, Garcelle, you know, should have been, you know, worked on her friendship with Bozemore. Boz should have worked on her friendship with Garcelle more because she's black. Like there was this whole weird race element to it online that I don't think that Garcelle's comment helped.

Kelli (48:48.51)
Okay.

Kelli (48:54.887)
Right, right, right, right, right. Okay, okay. Well, it's just a shame because they're two very accomplished women.

Lori (48:55.544)
That is what I'm trying to say.

Lori (49:04.655)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (49:04.844)
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (49:06.494)
And despite race or anything, ethnicity, it just, they were, were both, they both contributed well to the show, I thought. I think Garcelle had a little bit of a tough season, but I also think that that's because she was defending Sutton so much. So it's a shame that that's the way she's going out. I did read today that she and Sutton are not speaking, but I don't know if that's true. You saw that, right?

Lori (49:25.528)
Right.

Wendy (49:32.11)
I did see something, I saw something about that too and I don't know if it's true or not. don't. don't.

Kelli (49:36.873)
Who knows if that's true,

Lori (49:38.158)
Yeah, who knows.

Kelli (49:40.543)
I mean, I hope to God not, you know?

Lori (49:43.165)
I would think that what went down is everybody's contract, their contract was up, So maybe Andy came back with something for her and she just thought about it and she was like, you know what? I got the thing with my kids, I got all these projects going on. Things are like a little bit shitty with Sutton. I'm I'm tired of this whole bullshit. Maybe she was like, you know what? Now I got this little bit of a thing with Boz on this. Maybe she's just like, you know what? What am I doing?

What am doing here?

Wendy (50:15.246)
Good-bye.

Kelli (50:15.723)
She's got plenty of other things going on in her life, Garcelle, where she's certainly not sitting around bored. She's busy, she's got work. But I'll miss her because I really liked Garcelle. I really did.

Lori (50:18.595)
Absolutely.

No, no. Right.

Lori (50:29.996)
Yeah, I really have a problem, Garcelle. Yeah.

Wendy (50:30.05)
Yeah, I like Garcelle too. Yeah, I liked Garcelle too. I guess that's it, right? We're gonna have to wait and see what happens next week at the reunion. I know it's gonna be three parts too. I think he already announced that. So.

Kelli (50:32.679)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:42.877)
Yeah. You know what it comes down to? These women really aren't friends. They're really just not friends. They're show friends. So for Garcelle to walk away, it's like, she losing? A little bit of a paycheck for her? You know. And a lot of aggravation. A lot of aggravation. None of these women on Beverly Hills need the paycheck.

Lori (50:48.826)
Well, that's the thing.

Right. They're co-workers.

Wendy (50:52.279)
Yeah.

Wendy (50:56.536)
Yeah.

Lori (50:58.062)
Yeah, and a lot of aggravation. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Lori (51:08.12)
No, so do. Erica needs to make.

Wendy (51:08.642)
Well, I think Erica needs a paycheck. Yeah. Yeah, certainly right now.

Kelli (51:09.245)
Maybe one. I maybe one or two. think Erica and Dorit need the paycheck. But the other ones certainly don't.

Lori (51:14.234)
But what I'm trying to say is I don't think this was like some big blow up between the two black women on the show and that's why Garcella. No, no, no.

Wendy (51:24.318)
No, I don't think that was it either. no, I don't think that was it either. All right, so what did you want to tell me about Bethany?

Kelli (51:24.491)
No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Okay, so Bethany Frankel. So did you, I don't listen to her podcast, but apparently she called, she was talking about Teresa and Louis, whatever's going on with them financially. I don't even want to touch on that. Yeah, whatever they have going on, whatever it is, is. We're not talking about that.

Lori (51:45.028)
They're millions of dollars.

Wendy (51:50.52)
We're not talking about that, right?

Kelli (51:53.139)
But Bethany Frankel referenced it and called Real Housewives of New Jersey like a dumpster fire and said that none of them have money. Uh-huh. So Tamra and Dolores were covering some show, Summer House or something else, which I'd love to talk about, but we'll wait to do that. And they were like, fuck her. Like, fuck you, Bethany. Like obviously the women on,

Lori (52:03.873)
He's so funny.

Wendy (52:13.345)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (52:22.855)
You could say whatever you want about Teresa, but she has been on the show since the beginning. Again, I'm not touching on her financial situation, but the woman has earned a lot of money through Bravo over the years and her other ventures. These women clearly have money. And what a hypocrite Bethany is, like she sold Skinny Girl for millions and millions and millions of dollars and then went back to Roni afterwards, but has said,

You only go on these shows if you need money. So what'd you do, Bethany? Did you blow your skinny girl money and then you had to go back on Roni afterwards? Like she's a big fucking hypocrite.

Wendy (52:54.347)
Right.

Lori (53:05.176)
There you go.

Wendy (53:05.249)
and they called her out on it.

Kelli (53:06.663)
Dolores and Tamara totally called her out on it and I 100 % agree with everything they said.

Wendy (53:12.046)
I didn't listen to it. did know that they were talking about it because I saw bits and pieces of it on social media. Tamara and Teresa did not get along, right, at all?

Kelli (53:15.602)
Yeah.

Kelli (53:23.249)
I mean, there was definitely a time where, I mean, Tamara said that Louie gave her Brooks vibes and, and clearly that's not going to go over well with Teresa. So there was a rift, but I do think that they, like patch that up at some point.

Wendy (53:29.482)
Yeah, that's what it was about. Okay.

Wendy (53:38.166)
Okay. Yeah. I, cause I do, I have listened to a couple of her and Dolores recaps and I actually like, I like listening to Dolores. I like her and, and, Tamra together. do. I think that she does a good job with her.

Kelli (53:52.721)
I think she does too, but I text you guys. I text you guys. She sounds ridiculous. I'm gonna look at my text. I text you guys about this yesterday. You were in Atlantic City living it up at your girlfriends.

Lori (53:55.342)
Buh

Wendy (53:55.436)
But, but, but.

Wendy (54:05.18)
you text us? I missed it? Okay, so I missed it.

Lori (54:13.55)
And I was busy cleaning the bathroom.

Kelli (54:14.779)
And this is what I wrote, and I'm sure I'm gonna get heat for this from the tree stumps, but whatever. I'm listening to two tees with Dolores talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and Dolores is a huge hypocrite for what she's saying about Garcelle, Sutton, and Kyle, considering how loyal she is to Teresa. She's saying people that have yes people around them are detrimental. She's saying that Sutton is surrounded by yes people, and it's detrimental. Hello? Like, you're...

Lori (54:18.111)
okay, I see, I see.

Wendy (54:20.194)
Okay.

Wendy (54:35.534)
Hmm.

Wendy (54:39.227)
okay.

Kelli (54:43.633)
Your girl, Teresa, is obviously surrounded by yes people. This is, again, I'm not getting into financial situations. I'm not touching on that. But she surrounds herself with yes people. So Dolores, to me, sounded like a hypocrite talking about Sutton and that whole situation. But I do agree with you. I enjoy listening to her and Tamara when they recap.

Wendy (54:51.432)
Hahaha.

Lori (55:01.05)
with the Yes Group.

Wendy (55:06.316)
Yeah, and I like listening to Tamra with Erica too. I mean, initially I... Yes, yes, but I think, hasn't Erica done some now that Teddy's out?

Kelli (55:11.205)
Mm-hmm. Teddy, Teddy and Erica. Right?

Kelli (55:19.743)
So I think it was Teddy and Erica, Tamra and Dolores and Tamra and Trishel from Real World.

Wendy (55:26.67)
Oh, Trishel. Okay, that's right. So Tam and Trishel. yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad that the podcast is still going and we continue to keep Teddy in our prayers because she's got a big long road ahead of her.

Kelli (55:30.299)
Yeah, but it's good.

Kelli (55:39.248)
absolutely.

Absolutely. And yeah, so I just thought that I thought I'm so glad they called Bethany out because I mean, I agree with Bethany on certain points, but that was ridiculous. And to call Real Housewives of New Jersey a dumpster fire. And she's she trashes Real Housewives all the time, but she recaps old episodes of Roni.

Lori (55:42.81)
Yes.

Wendy (55:55.352)
Dumpster fire, no.

Wendy (56:02.486)
I know, I know, it makes no sense.

Kelli (56:04.497)
It makes no sense. It makes no sense. Like don't bite the hand that feeds you,

Wendy (56:07.466)
It really makes no sense. She really is a hypocrite about certain things and that happens to be one of them. And I don't get it. I don't know why she does it. Like what is the purpose? Like she doesn't need the money either. Why is she doing this?

Kelli (56:15.795)
I know.

Kelli (56:20.127)
I think that some people just like the fame. They just like to be relevant. I think Bethany is one of those people that wants to be relevant.

Wendy (56:25.858)
Really?

Lori (56:26.372)
Maybe.

Wendy (56:29.356)
Okay, that could be it. All right, well, we'll have to wait and see. Until next time. Next, next, we'll do a separate, okay, we'll do a separate episode about that. Okay, is that all right? Separate episode? Without.

Lori (56:32.441)
maybe.

Kelli (56:35.325)
Yeah, but we gotta talk about Summerhouse and Southern Charm, because I'm livid. Livid. Alright. Yes, yes. Yeah, we're almost at an hour. Nobody wants to listen to us anymore.

Lori (56:42.894)
Yes, yes, without me. Very good.

No, no, no. We don't even want to listen to each other. No.

Wendy (56:48.014)
Especially Lori. Most importantly, Lori does not want listen to us anymore. Okay, until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (56:50.139)
Exactly. importantly, Lori.

Lori (56:53.016)
Yeah, that's right. That's right. Exactly.

Kelli (56:58.623)
you

Kelli (57:06.303)
Bye.

Lori (57:06.394)
Bye.